Chinese Confucius Institutes On College Campuses Quietly Targeted In Defense Authorization Act

a reply to: xtradimensions

Naw, just keep bumping it, expand on replies and it'll gain more traction.

So Trump and Bush can be BFF with Putin, but the Chinese can't even talk to Americans? What kind of logic is that?

originally posted by: CB328
So Trump and Bush can be BFF with Putin, but the Chinese can't even talk to Americans? What kind of logic is that?

Did you even read the links and their content? This has nothing to do with “Chinese talking to Americans”, it is about Chinese government-ran spy-in-training programs on our college campuses and even in some k12 schools. It is about not allowing foreign governments, especially communist governments who are against every ideal we as Americans should hold dear, to corrupt and subvert the minds of our young people. You can’t see past your party politics to support what is best for this nation, which is sad. Had President Obama—or Bush—or Clinton—acted to stop these Institutes, I would have applauded their actions as well. Move past party politics and open your mind!

Under your logic, if Trump and Bush were BFF’s with Putin, then Obama (I will have more freedom after my last election) and Clinton (with her millions made from Uranium 1 deal) are Putin’s lovers.

I just read up on the Confucius Institute and what they do is classes about Chinese language and culture. Knowing how much Republicans hate both education and culture, now I understand what the fuss is all about. Overblown BS just like everything else the GOP talks about.

unfspinnaker.com...

a reply to: CB328
Keep researching and you will discover their less innocuous intentions.

Inside Higher Ed: Academic Malware and Cold Warfare

Again, in the words of then minister of propaganda Liu Yunshan in 2010, China should “coordinate the efforts of overseas and domestic propaganda, [and] further create a favorable international environment for us.” He went on to say that overseas propaganda should be “comprehensive, multilevel and wide-ranging … With regard to key issues that influence our sovereignty and safety, we should actively carry out propaganda battles against issues such as Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, human rights and Falun Gong. Our strategy is to proactively take our culture abroad … We should do well in establishing overseas cultural centers and Confucius Institutes.”

Another source to read: American Universities are Welcoming China’s Trojan Horse
The author wrote of the above article wrote:

I’ve just completed a two-year research report on 12 Confucius Institutes in New York and New Jersey. I found that Confucius Institutes operate as central nodes in the deepening relationship between China and Western universities — many of which are dependent on full-tuition-paying Chinese students and desperate for funding for humanities programs. But Confucius Institutes also serve as a vehicle for Chinese propaganda, restricting what the teachers they supply from China can say, distorting what students learn, and pressuring American professors to censor themselves.

And this...

The Hanban’s governing council is made up of the heads of 12 Chinese government ministries — including the State Press and Publications Administration (which handles state-run media and propaganda) and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Hanban “dispatches” teachers and textbooks from China and requires universities to get its approval on all course offerings and extracurricular programs. Imagine colleges and universities requesting permission from the U.S. government before finalizing course syllabi. Few if any American universities would accept such an imposition, but more than 100 are perfectly willing to cede that piece of autonomy to Beijing.

If you don’t believe any of these, how about what Canada says about them...Beijing Uses Confucius Institutes for Espionage, Says Canadian Intelligence Officer
From the above article,

Juneau-Katsuya has published a number of books and articles on the topic of espionage in Canada, and is one of the most quoted intelligence experts in Canadian media. He is currently the president and CEO of Northgate SSI, a security consulting firm, and teaches criminology at the University of Ottawa. No one disputes the value of teaching language and culture, the intelligence veteran told a Toronto District School Board (TDSB) committee on Oct. 1. But organizations like the Confucius Institute are similar to a Trojan horse, he said. “The Confucius Institutes do represent a threat for the Canadian government, do represent a threat to the Canadian public,” Juneau-Katsuya told the TDSB committee. “There is publicly available information stating clearly that Western counter-intelligence agencies have identified Confucius Institutes as forms of spy agencies used by the [Chinese] government and employed by the [Chinese] government.”

Seriously, this isn’t a party-politics issue.

originally posted by: CB328
I just read up on the Confucius Institute and what they do is classes about Chinese language and culture. Knowing how much Republicans hate both education and culture, now I understand what the fuss is all about. Overblown BS just like everything else the GOP talks about.

unfspinnaker.com...

One, over simplification and glossing over the truth.

Two, how do you think communists lead revolution? By infiltration...

freedomproject.com...

America is in the thick of the Hollywood award season and the Academy Awards, better known as the Oscars, is up next.

It behooves us to remember the words of the father of the Communist Russian Revolution, Vladimir Lenin, who declared in 1922 that “of all the arts the most important for us is the cinema.”

In 1919, Soviet Communists created Communist International, also known as Comintern or Third International. The organization’s goal was to infiltrate Western culture with Marxist ideology. The Soviets determined that Hollywood must become a mighty weapon of communist propaganda for the advancement of their Marxist cause. Many Hollywood writers, directors, producers and even some movie stars became committed covert cultural-communist warriors working with Comintern in conveying in their cinema the glory of Stalin's Socialism.

Again, you think it is coincidence that Sen. Feinstein had a Chinese Spy on her staff?

You think it’s coincidence Obama appointed a CIA director that once voted for a communist running for US president?

originally posted by: Arnie123

originally posted by: CB328
So no first ammendment rights for Colleges or for China?

Why do Conservatives think it's fine to allow foreigners to spend money in our elections, under the guise of free speech, but foreigners can't talk to University students?

I think we should be much more worried about the infiltration of our University system by Corporations.

What are you rambling about?

None of what you said makes any sense, remember, you're open borders, Anti-Capitalistic and free reign with Immigrants, nothing from that perspective of yours is of any value in this discussion.

We're talking about the infiltration of a foreign power, the Chinese, an not just anything Chinese, but the actual gov of China. Subversion.

Awesome reply!

It's obvious propaganda, glarlingly so, for the Chi-Com government to operate any "Confucius Institute,". When the Philosopher's grave has been desecrated and destroyed by the party (an act of hatred in a culture that reveres its ancestors), his books have been outlawed in China and its a crime to read them.

Until a couple of years ago, it was illegal to teach Confucianism or operate a traditional Confucian school in Red China.

But it's fine for the round-eyed Devils...

a reply to: tovenar

In communism, I thought the state was the religion? And the only two political parties in the communist system? Of the party, or enemy of the state?

a reply to: neutronflux
Those are definitely a lot of coincidences.

What I find most surprising is that any U.S. citizen, regardless of political affiliation, wouldn’t be concerned about the very real possibility of these Confucius Institutes being a training ground for Chinese spies. I simply don’t understand that, unless they really wish for the destruction of the country. It astounds me.

a reply to: neutronflux
Unless I misunderstood, I thought Tovenar meant that the Chinese Communist party obviously used the Confucius Institutes for propaganda purposes since the Communist Party destroyed Confucius’ (the philosoher’s) grave, indicating that just by using his name they were being false/fake/disingenuous. Maybe I am wrong, but that is what I took that post to mean.

a reply to: xtradimensions

This is a very well written Opening Post. These Chinese government funded Confucius Institutes are a threat. Not only in the US, but globally as well.

The FBI Whitepaper you linked, published in 2011, describes precisely how these organizations operate. It also provides a couple of interesting examples of how academic channels have already been manipulated by the Chinese to their advantage.

The Director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee in February of this year. Concerning the threat from China, he made this statement:

"One of the things we're trying to do is view the China threat as not just a whole-of-government threat, but a whole-of-society threat on their end," Wray said. "And I think it's going to take a whole-of-society response by us."

There have been a few universities that have terminated their relationships with the Confucius Institute. In at least one case, this effort was driven by the university teaching staff:

The closing in Chicago came after a petition, signed by over 100 faculty members, calling for the closure in concerns of academic censorship.

The University of North Florida's Spinnaker also mentions that:

It was announced on Aug. 14 that UNF would not be renewing its contract and it will officially expire next year in February.

I can understand the universities' need for funding. I can also see how some liberal educators may not see the obvious downside to allowing a Chinese government funded organization on their campuses. Their stated primary goal is to provide a first-class education to their students. Having a well funded Chinese language program on campus is ideal for that purpose.

Unfortunately the real-world isn't quite as sparkling and shiny as they believe it to be. In their pursuit of providing a world-class learning experience for their students, they have cast a blind eye to the dangers of having a totalitarian government funded entity in their midst; one with firsthand access to both their unique technological developments and the maturing minds of America's next generation of business and government leaders.

Historically, the Chinese society has taken the long view. They understand that achieving ultimate success takes time and patience. In the US we have become accustomed to instant gratification; thus we don't factor in the potentially huge affects of apparently small influences.

In some followup research I was doing, in an effort to find some slightly less partisan sources, I was delighted to find something else. FBI Director Christopher Wray was just one of several intelligence agencies' leaders testifying before the Senate Committee. And Chinese infiltration of American society was but one of the topics discussed:

China and North Korea were big topics of discussion, but lawmakers and officials focused most on Russia's election interference and ongoing influence operations.

These agencies are still much more concerned about Russian psychological operations and cyber threats than Chinese influence in academia.

What I find interesting is that there are still some President Trump supporters who absolutely deny the validity of the Russian election interference investigation, but will embrace the evidence of Chinese societal influence; though all of the evidence for the actions of both espionage vectors has been accumulated by these same agencies. It strikes me as disingenuous to pick and choose what evidence is valid based on an absolute partisan perspective.

Thanks for providing more exposure to this subtle Chinese threat to our culture and society!

-dex

The CCP have invested a lot of money in various types of schools across the US to a) educate their own citizens, b) white-wash Chinese history, c) get privy to sensitive R&D, and d) make their own schools back home better. On top of this, the Confucius Institutes are a way to keep tabs Chinese students so they don't choose to stay in America and will go back to the home land. They are also used as a soft attempt for espionage.

originally posted by: xtradimensions
a reply to: neutronflux
Those are definitely a lot of coincidences.

What I find most surprising is that any U.S. citizen, regardless of political affiliation, wouldn’t be concerned about the very real possibility of these Confucius Institutes being a training ground for Chinese spies. I simply don’t understand that, unless they really wish for the destruction of the country. It astounds me.

Like believing in the cause of communism.........

a reply to: neutronflux
Yes, I suppose that is one reason.

It is still difficult for me to comprehend.

Confucius say: "College kicking out Confucius Institute lose orientation."