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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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Communism / socialism and the rest of the "isms" don't scale up. Some scale up better than others though.

Communism works on a small scale... think a commune of say 20 people working a farm for a common goal. Where it breaks down is that all the participants have to share the same vision and have the same levels of motivation to make it work. Eventually what happens is that a few people can't contribute as much and the other members start getting tired of carrying the water for everyone else.

Capitalism scales up much better across an economy as people are left to their own devices. However, you do need regulations, etc to reign in people who take advantage of others. Free markets definitely produce more innovation, lower prices, etc. However, if left unchecked, free markets can also breed low quality, etc. A good example of this is poor building standards or safety standards in some countries. Think poorly built buildings that would never be built in the US because of our regulations.

There is always a balance.




posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Where did I ever claim to want to uninstall our Republic?



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Capitalism isn't a form of government homie.

There is little to imprison anyone for. If someone doesn't want to participate in capitalism they don't have too.

It's funny you say this when the US has the number one incarceration rate in the world.


Your the one that suggested it was in your first post.

I did? Where? I just said that no new government can be installed without imprisoning people (or just violence in general) Then I went on to say I didn't want to defend Communism to you.


Don't know why you, Annee, truebrit and other self declared hard socialist don't band together and start a commune.
Create a utopia and show us on ATS how it's done

Because I live in the US and I have 1 vote just like you do. Oh yeah and that thing the Constitution outlines... What was it...? It's on the tip of my tongue... Oh yeah! Freedom of Speech and the right to petition the government of my grievances!



You also have the right to buy and own property.

What is stopping you and other like minded people pooling resources buying a large p.ot of land and living the socialist dream together! You don't need the government to hold your hand comrade! Come on lead by example



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

You didn't, I should have made sure it was not a reply to you specifically. Just that last part (which is also more of a general question too)
edit on 8/17/2018 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke
Sigh...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
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I don't feel like defending Communism to you ...



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke
Want to see how it's done, go to Israel and go to a Kibbutz. But then again they say it's really socialist and zionist. Not communist.
Have none of you ever read "Animal Farm". Communism is an ideal that works in theory but not in practise. The main line in "Animal Farm" is a communistic doctrine for a start then the truth after.
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others". No matter what political persuasion, Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Socialist and communist as long as there is more that 2 people there will always be the ones that want the power. How they use that power is the whole crux of this post.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke
Sigh...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
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I don't feel like defending Communism to you ...


Typical libitard excuses and cope outs.

Easy to moan and complain behind a keyboard with your organic fair trade coffee at your side but when it comes to ACTUALLY doing anything or putting any work in you run and hide.......or lash out in violence behind masks.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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Commie logic is an oxymoron.
Rather like limited freedom.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke
Sigh...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
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I don't feel like defending Communism to you ...


Typical libitard excuses and cope outs.

Easy to moan and complain behind a keyboard with your organic fair trade coffee at your side but when it comes to ACTUALLY doing anything or putting any work in you run and hide.......or lash out in violence behind masks.

I literally did no moaning or complaining in this thread. I just corrected a point you made in your OP followed by an explicit message that I wasn't planning on defending Communism. Then you started trolling my political beliefs when you couldn't refute me any further.
edit on 17-8-2018 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

Israel is not socialist nor does Zionism constitute something negative. Zionists sought & now support the return of the Jewish people to Israel



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: JBurns
Good god, Google "Kibbutz" and read what it says about the founding. I did not say Israel is Socialist or Zionist, I said the Kibbutz system was supposedly founded on these principles.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

Sorry Crazyzeed
I should have read that more clearly



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Capitalism isn't a form of government homie.

There is little to imprison anyone for. If someone doesn't want to participate in capitalism they don't have too.

It's funny you say this when the US has the number one incarceration rate in the world.


Your the one that suggested it was in your first post.

Don't know why you, Annee, truebrit and other self declared hard socialist don't band together and start a commune.
Create a utopia and show us on ATS how it's done



Never been to the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark... have you? Scandinavia .... Socialist and one of the most enjoyable places on earth.
edit on 17-8-2018 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Oh there are a few who are doing exactly that. It will grow I hope. Problem is you can't just hire, people have to buy a share to go to work. The start is easy the growth of the company comes with new problems.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Capitalism isn't a form of government homie.

There is little to imprison anyone for. If someone doesn't want to participate in capitalism they don't have too.

It's funny you say this when the US has the number one incarceration rate in the world.


Your the one that suggested it was in your first post.

Don't know why you, Annee, truebrit and other self declared hard socialist don't band together and start a commune.
Create a utopia and show us on ATS how it's done



Never been to the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark... have you? Scandinavia .... Socialist and one of the most enjoyable places on earth.


But not communist.

This thread is about communists.

Big difference.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke
Sigh...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
...

I don't feel like defending Communism to you ...


Typical libitard excuses and cope outs.

Easy to moan and complain behind a keyboard with your organic fair trade coffee at your side but when it comes to ACTUALLY doing anything or putting any work in you run and hide.......or lash out in violence behind masks.

I literally did no moaning or complaining in this thread. I just corrected a point you made in your OP followed by an explicit message that I wasn't planning on defending Communism. Then you started trolling my political beliefs when you couldn't refute me any further.


Why are you always getting yourself into these messes?

It can't be everyone else's fault, can it?



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 06:20 PM
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what stops you and 10 commies friends pooling your resources and buying a farm and setting up a comune?


Who can afford to buy a farm and pay taxes, irrigation, etc in our expensive capitalist system?



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JBurns

Where did I ever claim to want to uninstall our Republic?


That wouldnt be a claim, that would be an assertion.




posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



what stops you and 10 commies friends pooling your resources and buying a farm and setting up a comune?


Who can afford to buy a farm and pay taxes, irrigation, etc in our expensive capitalist system?



Actually the mega Agri corps are buying up many small farms and getting government subsidies to cover real estate costs and implements. Socialism for the Corporations.

www.globalpolicy.org...

I'm even thinking of selling my 180 acres in cotton and onions to the big agribusiness mega corps. I just don't care anymore.
edit on 17-8-2018 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke




Commie: but how do we afford phones and modern healthcare
Me: that thing caplitism provides?
*gets blocked on facebook*


Other Commie: Capitalism doesn't build phones, it's self-proclaimed socialists in China and shady oligarchs like Steve Jobs.

Try to argue with that?




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