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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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I had a argument with a self declared communist.

Here is how it went.

Me: communism has killed more people than every other ideology.
Commie: no! That was NOT communism , real communism no one would die or be imprisoned.
Me: ok then so in your communist government no one would die or be oppressed.
Commie: correct! *looks smugly*
Me: and in your communism the states owns all property and resoureces and distributes them.
Commie: correct, it is only fair.
Me: ok what happens when people like the borgois middle classes don't want to play along and decide to not share and keep our property.
Commie: o erm.......i guess then the state would have to make that illegal.
Me: and if illegal that would mean prison correct?
Commie: well yeah if you break the law you go to prison.
Me: but you will have hundreds of thousands or millions resist! Not enough prisons.
Commie: well you will have to build more prisons for them......oh! You tricked Me!

See..... Only way you can immpliement communism is by force and that means mass imprisonment.

Here the next argument.

Commie: you capalist force and oppress us into your system!
Me: what stops you and 10 commies friends pooling your resources and buying a farm and setting up a comune?
Commie: but but it's not that simple! We can't do that!
Me: why?
Commie: erm because we still have to farm to live.
Me: so you don't want to work hard? You can grow enough food for 10 people easily enough.
Commie: but how do we afford phones and modern healthcare
Me: that thing caplitism provides?
*gets blocked on facebook*

See the logic of a communist!

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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

That's why I prefer moderate Marxism. It's not about all ressources being state owned, but the capitalisation of work force. Which means I sweat I am the one who should own collectively with the others who put in their life to produce certain goods the company I am working for.
Corporate instead of exploited.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

Ha! Nice argument there.

People hate capitalism but can't live without it. Too comfy on their fluffy chair watching their big televisions.

Me personally would live fine in the woods growing my own food and without any exterior contact.

Maybe on the next live when I have no kid to grow lol



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: DieGloke
See..... Only way you can immpliement communism is by force and that means mass imprisonment.

That's pretty much how you have to implement any new form of government. You don't believe that all Americans took to the Constitution with open arms back in the 1790's do you?

I don't feel like defending Communism to you, but your point here isn't exactly a burn against the ideology.
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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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Communism is an idiotic ideology.

Why anyone would even try is ludicrous.

It's ANTI American as it gets.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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Communism / socialism never works because not all contribute the same.

Anyone whose ever worked in a group project in high school should know this. Typical group project... 5 students. 2 students do all the work. 1 or 2 contribute but are hardly rock stars. the last 1 or 2 student didn't do sh*t. The entire group gets an "A".



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: DieGloke
See..... Only way you can immpliement communism is by force and that means mass imprisonment.

That's pretty much how you have to implement any new form of government. You don't believe that all Americans took to the Constitution with open arms back in the 1790's do you?

I don't feel like defending Communism to you, but your point here isn't exactly a burn against the ideology.


Not really.

The foundation of capitalism is personal freedom.
There is little to imprison anyone for. If someone doesn't want to participate in capitalism they don't have too.
They are free to either band together and form their own commune or starve, no prison required


Only thing you can be imprisoned for is not paying taxes and the amount that resist taxes is far less than what will resist communism.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke




The foundation of capitalism is personal freedom.





posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

Capitalism isn't a form of government homie.

There is little to imprison anyone for. If someone doesn't want to participate in capitalism they don't have too.

It's funny you say this when the US has the number one incarceration rate in the world.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:45 PM
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Take a look at today's communist countries...most have either failed miserably (Cuba, N Korea) or adopted some form of state capitalism (China). Many who espouse socialism or communism forget that requires a lot of people working to create a strong tax base to pay for stuff like heat, food and clean water. No jobs, no tax base, no food (Venezuela). But worse yet, these communist countries have a handful of folks at the top living the high life of luxury, while the masses live in tent cities at the bottom, with no middle class. I really don't understand why liberals think communism is cool. I suspect it's part of the Trump Derangement Syndrome sweeping the nation like an epidemic of idiocy.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

Oh I luv the spirit of this song

Aint I right



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: DieGloke




The foundation of capitalism is personal freedom.







posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Capitalism isn't a form of government homie.

There is little to imprison anyone for. If someone doesn't want to participate in capitalism they don't have too.

It's funny you say this when the US has the number one incarceration rate in the world.


Your the one that suggested it was in your first post.

Don't know why you, Annee, truebrit and other self declared hard socialist don't band together and start a commune.
Create a utopia and show us on ATS how it's done



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Zoyd23
But worse yet, these communist countries have a handful of folks at the top living the high life of luxury, while the masses live in tent cities at the bottom, with no middle class.


And this part right here is the real problem. And it is happening right here in the USA... huge majority of wealth is being transferred to a handful of folks at the top, eviscerating the middle class.

Since it is happening here, it clearly has nothing to do with communism per se, it has to do with the quality of the people implementing the economic model in use.

It can be argued that there has never been a country set up with real, actual communism... historically, they have all been plutocracies that use the label 'communism'. Just like the plutocracy currently active in the US uses the label 'capitalism'.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: DieGloke

That's why I prefer moderate Marxism. It's not about all ressources being state owned, but the capitalisation of work force. Which means I sweat I am the one who should own collectively with the others who put in their life to produce certain goods the company I am working for.
Corporate instead of exploited.


I don't think your argument is wrong. There is a lot of good to be said about such an idea.

But the real question is, would it scale up? Could it work on a less-homogeneous and much larger population as opposed to the example's application of moderate Marxism to a corporation-sized collective?

Always interesting to read suggestions like this. It almost reminds me of Navy Federal Credit union, all bank customers/employees are also owners of the CU. What is to stop a collective of individuals - right this moment - from purchasing or creating a company and doing just that? Giving all employees "LLC member" status or a specific share in the company's ownership/management



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: DieGloke

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DieGloke

Capitalism isn't a form of government homie.

There is little to imprison anyone for. If someone doesn't want to participate in capitalism they don't have too.

It's funny you say this when the US has the number one incarceration rate in the world.


Your the one that suggested it was in your first post.

I did? Where? I just said that no new government can be installed without imprisoning people (or just violence in general) Then I went on to say I didn't want to defend Communism to you.


Don't know why you, Annee, truebrit and other self declared hard socialist don't band together and start a commune.
Create a utopia and show us on ATS how it's done

Because I live in the US and I have 1 vote just like you do. Oh yeah and that thing the Constitution outlines... What was it...? It's on the tip of my tongue... Oh yeah! Freedom of Speech and the right to petition the government of my grievances!
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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

Some people like communism and some people hate communism. The same thing with capitalism. Both systems have their failures. The majority of citizens should decide what kind of system they want to live under. No country should force their governing ideology on a sovereign nation.

Many people associate socialism with communism. Socialism really focuses on taking care of its citizens, except sometimes government doesn't manage those programs efficiently or there are flaws with the development of the programs.

I believe there are proven points of light in every governing system. The key would be to create a governing system that utilizes the best part of every system. After all, the U.S. incorporates some successful social programs like Medicare, and Social Security. If our representatives wouldn't have "embezzled" funds from Social Security, it would still be solvent!

Welfare is a caring social program, but it has it's problems. In this case, I personally believe government should get a return in the form of work at the federal, state and city level to receive those "free checks." Lending a helping hand to those in need was preached by Jesus Christ and is a foundation that is taught in many religions around the world.


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posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It would however violate Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution, to install a non-Republican government (ie: a Republic, not the GOP party)

You could always follow the ideas of some of the Irish socialists, who want to form a socialist Republic

(of course this is all in theory vs. in practice, since there are no current successful socialist or communist countries)




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