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Majority of US newspapers don't attack Trump over 1st amendment concerns

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posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: neo96


If you think the media is above reproach.

Your part of the problem.



As far as we know, Voltaire never said that. However, it was found out who did say it -- as his ties are very shady, he is not attributed the quote.

Kevin Alfred Strom, a white supremacist from West Virginia, and he said it in 1993 in "All America Must Know the Terror That is Upon Us". He was talking about the Jewish population.

Easily attributable to the media, as you just did, to the President as many have before, to Hollywood, Rothschilds, Bilderbergs or anyone else in power.

It's important to at least understand it did not come from Voltaire though.




posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

The media is not the enemy of the people and it's important to stand up for free speech.
I cannot believe anyone is still behind this guy . He's trying g to turn this country into Nazi Germany with state controlled media. Silencing anyone who DARES to say anything negative about him and the sick part is I know you guys would NEVER stand for this kind of behavior in a democrat president. You'd be completely outraged and demanding something be done but you've all been hypnotized and tricked by this pretender. This loser.
I wish I could say I feel sorry for you but you kinda brought this upon yourselves.
The end is drawing near.


No one's free speech has been silenced. Learn to think for yourself. Whoever told you that lied to you.

And no the end isn't near. The people that told you he wouldn't even get inaugurated, wouldn't make it past a month, 6 months, a year, etc were all wrong. He's not getting impeached. You really need to start making peace with that. How many times can you get lied to and still believe this crap?



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Nazi this. Nazi that. ...and those you disagree with are the ones hypnotized??

You've been at this refrain for two years now... First it was he wouldn't last a year. Now he's the second coming of Shicklegroober.

I had, still have reservations, about the man...but Hitler he's not. This is becoming monotonous.

The press is as free as it's ever been, despite bleating to the contrary, usually by the oh, so picked upon medias.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: seagull


The press is as free as it's ever been...


And there's really no reason why we shouldn't fight to keep it that way:

News organizations unite in nationwide push to counter anti-press rhetoric

Reports on the rise of fascism in Europe were not the American media’s finest hour

“No people ever recognize their dictator in advance,” she reflected in 1935. “He never stands for election on the platform of dictatorship. He always represents himself as the instrument [of] the Incorporated National Will.” Applying the lesson to the U.S., she wrote, “When our dictator turns up you can depend on it that he will be one of the boys, and he will stand for everything traditionally American.”


Ullrich quotes a police report on one of Hitler’s early speeches, in which he “used vulgar comparisons” and “did not shy away from the cheapest allusions.”

Hitler’s language was never measured or careful, but “like something merely expulsed.” Yet, revising earlier opinions, Ullrich shows how carefully Hitler prepared his speeches. Seemingly spontaneous, they were in fact calculated. Full of base allegations and vile stereotypes, they were precisely designed to gain maximum attention from the media and maximum reaction from the crowds he addressed. When he declared that fines were of no use against those he called Jewish criminals, his listeners interrupted him with chants of “Beatings! Hangings!”


'For most of it I have no words' - How journalists told the world about the Nazi Holocaust

Death of truth: when propaganda and 'alternative facts' first gripped the world

Lügenpresse

I'm sure a lot of folks out there think this is hysterical - that journalists and the media have lost their minds

Trump responds after hundreds of newspaper editorials criticize his attacks on the press

Senate Passes Resolution Affirming ‘Press Is Not the Enemy of the People’


The Senate on Thursday took a thinly veiled shot at President Trump over his criticism of the media, passing a resolution that states the “press is not the enemy of the people.” “Tyrannical and authoritarian governments and leaders throughout history have sought to undermine, censor, suppress, and control the press to advance their undemocratic goals and actions,” the non-binding resolution states. It goes on to make clear that the Senate “condemns the attacks on the institution of the free press and views efforts to systematically undermine the credibility of the press as an attack on the democratic institutions of the United States,” in a seemingly clear reference to Trump’s Twitter broadsides.


Nazi Germany will never happen again in exactly the same way. That doesn't mean we shouldn't stay alert and recognize the signs

edit on 8/16/2018 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 07:34 PM
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What a load of bullsnip.



Despite President Obama's promises of transparency, the White House blocks routine information for reporters, seeks aggressive prosecution of classified information leakers and uses its own media channels to shape its messaging, according to a scathing new report by the Committee to Protect Journalists.


www.usatoday.com...



There's a new piece in Rolling Stone magazine about the tense -- to be kind -- relationship between the Obama White House and the media tasked with covering it.


www.washingtonpost.com... utm_term=.bc930e6cccc8

People have lost their effing minds.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

No kidding, really?

Of course it should be defended, did you think I'd say otherwise?

Trump is out to silence all media--hasn't that been the refrain for the past two years?? Or certainly words to that effect?

What's he done? Has he closed offices of the NYT? CNN? Anyone? Not that I've noticed.

Some of his supporters have suggested that...but they're idiots, and can be disregarded, as The Donald seems to be ignoring them.

...and The Donald is hardly the only President to have, umm..., contentious relations with the press.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

No kidding, really?

Of course it should be defended, did you think I'd say otherwise?

Trump is out to silence all media--hasn't that been the refrain for the past two years?? Or certainly words to that effect?

What's he done? Has he closed offices of the NYT? CNN? Anyone? Not that I've noticed.

Some of his supporters have suggested that...but they're idiots, and can be disregarded, as The Donald seems to be ignoring them.

...and The Donald is hardly the only President to have, umm..., contentious relations with the press.


Don't even think about mentioning their God, Obama.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: face23785

They think people just recently started not trusting the media. Trump just made everyone realize how they act when they don't get what the want and how much power they actually have to influence public opinion.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

I just mentioned to my wife that it isn't that Trump is saying anything new.

He's just saying what we've been thinking for a long time.

The MSM has a biased, political, ideological agenda.

And truth & facts aren't any of the choices.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I mean it's not like the bias has been hidden.

Dan Rather, anyone?

Farther back, Edward R. Murrow against McCarthy? Not saying he was wrong, but it was a definite bias.

Or is it only bias if we disagree with the thoughts, otherwise it's journalism? Is that what all too many of us think? Why else do we get so selectively outraged?

Media has always been biased. Politicians of every stripe have had contentious, even hostile, relations with the media.

To attempt to portray Trump as anything special in that regard is disingenuous to an extreme most should be embarrassed to attempt to portray.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:29 AM
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a reply to: seagull

Yellow (orange?) journalism has been around since Gutenberg made the press.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 12:31 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes, it has.

Before that, I'm sure.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: face23785

They think people just recently started not trusting the media. Trump just made everyone realize how they act when they don't get what the want and how much power they actually have to influence public opinion.


Absolutely. This is the funny part. These idiots actually think that without Trump they would still have the trust of the people. Trump just jumped on an already existing bandwagon. People loathe the media's bias and sensationalism and have for years before Trump announced he was running.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: dasman888

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: face23785


Of course this is part of the wider anti-Trump media narrative, claiming that criticism of the media is somehow an assault on Freedom of the Press.


Criticism of the media is one thing. The media should be criticized, just like the President. What I always find ironic about Trump supporters talking about "fake news" is that... well, they're Trump supporters.

You're not dumb. I assume you're not clinically insane. So you know that he lies constantly. You know that he bull#s all the time. And I'm pretty sure that if it was something more important than posting on the Internet, you wouldn't repeat any "fact" from Trump without vetting the information yourself.

What's more "fake news" than Trump?


It's not. That's a lie. The First Amendment does not protect the media from criticism, even from members of the government.


You're mistaken. It's entirely possible to assault the freedom of the press without violating the First Amendment. Just like it's possible to censor people without violating their First Amendment free speech protections. The First Amendment doesn't have any text about the executive branch surveiling reporters like the DOJ did under Obama/Holder in 2013 but I think any rational person can see how that's constitutes an assault on the freedom of the press.

Using your argument, if Putin was the US President and offing reporters, it wouldn't be an assault on the free press because the First Amendment doesn't say that the President shouldn't murder reporters.

That said, I think Trump's nonstop gaslighting is a much bigger threat to the sanity of his more susceptible supporters. You know, the people that dismiss as "fake news" every outlet or reporter he tweets about and get "news" from those he approves of like Hannity — or worse, turn to the fantasy world of "Q."

It reminds me of something I read about anti-American sentiment in the Turkish media recently. One of the state-controlled outlets was pushing a conspiracy theory in 2016 that Scott Peterson, you know the guy who is in jail for murdering his wife Lacey Peterson, was actually a CIA assassin who was a central figure in the Turkish coup attempt.

And I'm sure the people believing that # really felt "woke."

What alarms me is how Trumpism has fostered an environment where millions of Americans are apparently experiencing a mass psychotic break.


Good gosh... have you put your toe in the "Collusion with Russia" waters lately?

As bad as the "fake news" (which I define as things being reported as facts, that are NOT so. They may get corrected... but they are corrected AFTER the expected hair on fire telephone system has done it's work.) "gaslighting" as you call it, IS... have you seen how deranged some on the left are about "!Russia! EVERYTHING".

So, heres the rub... just imagine for a moment, that THIS is what actually happened:

John Brennan started the entire !RUSSIA! story up, and some of those elements were ready to go, off the shelf, before Trump even announced. Why, even before Trump announced he was running?

Because no matter what happened, Hillary needed to win... because if she didn't there was a LOT of stuff to clean up.

Anyway, Brennan and his crew of merry pranksters, put pieces in place early on. GCHQ gave and assist, and WHATEVER story they ran with, it needed to involve a foreign government or entity (FISA... first word of that acronym being the operative).

There were a number of rotten players (we just found out more, recently, about how Bruce Ohr pipelined with Christopher Steele on the sly, because FBI fired Steele for sharing project information with media.)

We already know fluent Russian speaker and Russian expert Nellie Ohr, was working for Fusion GPS, in trying to gather information for the project "work product", (now referred to as the "dossier"). We also know Nellie Ohr was granted an Amateur HAM license (low tech SIGINT) in May of 2016.

Sure, stand alone, could be coincidences... but in the gathering gravity of the partly assembled puzzle, the "coincidences" are starting to push actuarial reality a bit far.

Media is culpable... you don't think so? Well, we've already seen the coordination with the Clinton campaign, DNC and media. We have all the messages. We've SEEN them.

Anyway... I could go on and on, but the fact is, anyone that wants to reconstruct the fact patterns which make up the puzzle which has largely been solved about !RUSSIA!, and shenanigans pre-2016 election, can find that unbelievable pieces of the puzzle and see where the gaslighting is really coming from.

To say Trump is gaslighting anyone... would require a frame of perception that the media is truthful, and the !RUSSIA! narrative is truthful. It's bullsh*t.

It's flip mirrored by the Obama monkey wrench crew, and there's actually tons of established information that PROVES the DNC and Clinton deliberately hired Russians for their operation. Talk about being gaslighted!

Anyway... most folks are pretty heavily entrained to cop to their own confirmation bias, especially if they only look for information sources that comport with that bias.

Some version of the tiny snippet I articulated above, will eventually be understood to be the actual facts, in COMPLETE opposition to the media narrative and gaslighting of the last 18 months or so, with the !RUSSIA! BS.

I don't expect to hear a "damn, you were right" from you or anybody else whose got Koolaid pigment poisoning.

So, whatevs I guess


You need to admit it dasman888. You got burned. tRumps the worst thing to happen this country since Vietnam.



posted on Aug, 17 2018 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: hoss53

According to the unbiased media, right?

You have a strange definition of worst.



posted on Aug, 18 2018 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: seagull

This actually made me smile:


I had, still have reservations, about the man...but Hitler he's not. This is becoming monotonous.



What's he done? Has he closed offices of the NYT? CNN? Anyone? Not that I've noticed.

Much of what I posted was from people who saw the beginning little realizing what they would see at the end. It starts with an idea

Actual Nazis and their less drama queen cousins, your basic Jew hating white supremacists - more or less support our new wannabe king

It's confusing



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