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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

Doesn't matter one GD bit.

No Republican voted for that GD bill.





I never said they did. I said they were behind the creation of the individual mandate.

Try to pay attention, Neo. Or at least not deflect.




posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Then explain it.

IF Republicans wanted it.

WHY DID NONE OF THEM VOTE FOR IT?
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: skywatcher44

Just one problem. You have a point about socialism/ communism, and there are those who are communists who will defend their beliefs instead of U.S American Constitutional beliefs. Communists have always wanted to destroy the U.S from within and it looks like they have accomplished this. However, here is a reality check: the republic is already dead. Right now, it is nothing but a corpse.


The US Republic was poisoned in 1791 by the installment of the central bank. The Republic died when it lost the “War of 1812”. The bank’s charter was forcibly renewed and the original 13th Amendment was stifled in all the state legislatures. It is not treason when an act is committed by an enemy, it is just the reality of warfare. What is left of the Republic is only a corpse that has been slowly decaying. The stench has not been horrible enough for the people to realize that the Republic is dead. Until they see this truth there will be no effort to revive it.
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Fair airnough.



My guess is the market will dictate that direction soon, but I could be wrong.


Toldya! Way too far gone already.

Who in their right mind would let this junkie of a market dictate directions, you're in on the next fix of quantitave easing or what?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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We're all not arguing about the same things. LOL

Nobody wants to be like Venezuela.

Universal Health Care/Free college education etc. Like in the Scandinavian countries isn't free, it's paid for by taxes.

When you see the world socialism...as it relates to Bernie Sanders and those on the left... really refers to Scandinavian countries not Nazi Germany or Venezuela.

We have enough money for the things we want like Universal Health care, medicaid for all, whatever it is, all we need to do is put or tax money towards it instead of homeland security, black budget, military budget. etc. There is no lack of money. it's lack of will power.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Interestingly enough, the only people who use the word "free" in relation to Socialism or Communism are conservatives. I've never heard a self-proclaimed Socialist EVER say that social programs are free stuff.


I guess free is the wrong word though for many it would be free. Nothing is free since the private sector pays for it all. If people want to bloat Government and provide large socialized programs someone will need to work and pay for it all, and those workers will not be the Government workers. Where I work we have basically two big buckets of charge codes that employees put their hours worked towards. One of them is Over Head or OH, and the other is Direct. Direct means a customer contract is paying for our time and OH is paid for by the company, we run about 80% direct and 20% OH. If we ran too much OH the company goes under as not enough external income is coming in through the doors to pay for everything.

We need the private sector income to pay for EVERYTHING, and when we look back at the failures of Greece we saw a bloated Government where Government jobs were better pay than private sector jobs with a huge percentage of workers in those jobs and not the private sector as the Government just had this perpetual growth thing going on. Now add in large socialized programs and you have a lot of OH going on there with huge costs with no external income coming in since everyone works for the Government mostly...lol

So free is the wrong word, but the belief that there is some endless magical bucket of money is not too far off the view of most that want Socialism or Communism.




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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Fair airnough.



My guess is the market will dictate that direction soon, but I could be wrong.


Toldya! Way too far gone already.

Who in their right mind would let this junkie of a market dictate directions, you're in on the next fix of quantitave easing or what?


It's not just Americas market. Look at Syria, arguably a war over a pipeline to Europe.

The market will dictate it, that's how things go. Once petrol and LP climb to a rate where the public won't consume at that price, alternatives will be sought.

What do you suggest?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

Then explain it.

IF Republicans wanted it.

WHY DID NONE OF THEM VOTE FOR IT?


That's easy. Because, Obama.

Obama could have come up with the biggest tax cut in history, and the Republicans would have been against it. Because, Obama.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: amazing

We have enough money for the things we want like Universal Health care, medicaid for all, whatever it is, all we need to do is put or tax money towards it instead of homeland security, black budget, military budget. etc. There is no lack of money. it's lack of will power.


Open borders with no military and we are good...


So lets look at why a country like Norway can have socialized programs and be relativity successful at it. With a population of about 5 million about 3 million is their labor force. That is a fantastic number of of workers per population. I see socialized Governments work well in these situations where over 60% of the population is working and with only 5 million people their GDP is around 400 billion.

The problem it seems is this works with smaller populations where we have cities with more people than many of these countries people want to emulate. We have under 50% of our population working so that is a problem and I do not think healthcare is linear as a population grows.

As to healthcare ours is double the percentage of GDP compared to Norway, so our system with insurance is broken and unless we are willing to dump it all and start over there is no socialized fix for it. Sanders system would cost over 4 trillion as example...



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

Then explain it.

IF Republicans wanted it.

WHY DID NONE OF THEM VOTE FOR IT?


Because the ACA was proposed by Democrats and Obama.

Again, that is still not the point I was making.

The Republicans at the Heritage Foundation created the individual mandate.

Period. No amount of deflection and obfuscation changes that.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
So free is the wrong word, but the belief that there is some endless magical bucket of money is not too far off the view of most that want Socialism or Communism.

You know what else is flawed? The belief that anything involving Socialism in this country is doomed to failure or will result in insolvency.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
We're all not arguing about the same things. LOL

Nobody wants to be like Venezuela.

Universal Health Care/Free college education etc. Like in the Scandinavian countries isn't free, it's paid for by taxes.

When you see the world socialism...as it relates to Bernie Sanders and those on the left... really refers to Scandinavian countries not Nazi Germany or Venezuela.

We have enough money for the things we want like Universal Health care, medicaid for all, whatever it is, all we need to do is put or tax money towards it instead of homeland security, black budget, military budget. etc. There is no lack of money. it's lack of will power.


Exactly. These people are arguing against what they have been taught through propaganda and bull#, as I said in my first post.

To put it simply, these guys believe the memes are real.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Xtrozero
So free is the wrong word, but the belief that there is some endless magical bucket of money is not too far off the view of most that want Socialism or Communism.

You know what else is flawed? The belief that anything involving Socialism in this country is doomed to failure or will result in insolvency.


Many also do not want to talk about the good things that have happened under socialism/communist nations.

Such as defeating the Nazis and putting the first man in space.

Capitalism didn't defeat Hitler. Capitalism did not put people on the moon. Socialism, or the collective labor and wealth of the people, did.

There are so many things we could do if we pulled our heads out of our asses and worked together, but we can't do that when we have a section of society that is bull-headed all because of their own ignorance and propagandized beliefs.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Open borders with no military and we are good...


So lets look at why a country like Norway can have socialized programs and be relativity successful at it. With a population of about 5 million about 3 million is their labor force. That is a fantastic number of of workers per population. I see socialized Governments work well in these situations where over 60% of the population is working and with only 5 million people their GDP is around 400 billion.

Where did you get those numbers from?


The problem it seems is this works with smaller populations where we have cities with more people than many of these countries people want to emulate. We have under 50% of our population working so that is a problem and I do not think healthcare is linear as a population grows.

It should be noted that the blue states (which contain most of the major US cities in the country) tend to take in more tax money then give out. It is the red states then tend to be bigger takes of welfare programs. As it seems, people in cities are better taken care of and can get back on their feet.

Also, where did you get the statistic that less than 50% of our citizenry is working? Even the most lenient way of calculating our unemployment (U6) only has 7.5% of the population unemployed.


As to healthcare ours is double the percentage of GDP compared to Norway, so our system with insurance is broken and unless we are willing to dump it all and start over there is no socialized fix for it. Sanders system would cost over 4 trillion as example...


This is a terrible point, because it ignores the fact that health costs are inflated in the US due to a built in buffer for insurance companies to negotiate the prices down. Also, the pharmaceutical industry is notorious for jacking up the profits of its medications 1000%. Comparing our health care costs to a country with socialized medicine is impossible and tells us nothing one way or the other.
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: introvert

It's the rise of the "I got mine, # you!" belief in conservative politics.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: introvert

It's the rise of the "I got mine, # you!" belief in conservative politics.


And the biggest kick in the balls is that these guys aren't even conservative. They are cry baby Right Wing authoritarians that want to use their politics as a means of control over those they disagree with.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: introvert




Because the ACA was proposed by Democrats and Obama.


END OF EFFING STORY.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: introvert

It's the rise of the "I got mine, # you!" belief in conservative politics.


Versus the rise of "I don't have it, so I am going to forcibly take it from you" politics of the left?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert




Because the ACA was proposed by Democrats and Obama.


END OF EFFING STORY.



We agree.

The Republicans did not support it because it was proposed by the Left.

End of story.

Now if it had been a different situation where a Republican introduced the idea, like Romney did in his home state, they would have been all for it. It was their creation after all.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Sigh... Here comes the weird conservative belief that taxes are theft when the right to tax the citizenry was written directly into the Constitution.



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