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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: neo96

I don't follow your logic. How does eliminating the Citizen's United ruling going to supposedly eliminate unions and especially the DNC? That is an AMAZING leap in logic considering both entities predate the Citizen's United ruling by many decades.




posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

ivn.us...



The United States Supreme Court held (5–4) on January 21, 2010, that the free speech clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution prohibits the government from restricting independent expenditures for communications by nonprofit corporations, for-profit corporations,labor unions, and other associations.[2][3]


en.wikipedia.org...

Should know what you want to get rid of.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: neo96

I still don't see how getting rid of Citizen's United will dissolve those organizations. All I gather from what you just posted is that the government would be able to cap donations coming in from organizations like that, just like it used to be.

How about actually explaining your crazy logic train for once, neo? Most of us don't understand crazy.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


That's it! Hypothetical debates, if there are any. And no common sense, either. You folks are lost, nobody would dare to take a closer look to Europe cuz... ya know... socialism!


We're far from lost just yet.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Don't be obtuse.

Get rid of CU and unions, and the DNC go bye bye.

DNC is a corporation that spends billions trying to buy elections.

Unions spend billions trying to buy elections.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: neo96

But getting rid of CU won't get rid of unions... You still haven't explained how one leads to the other.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Maybe you're even too far gone to get lost in the first place?

A certain CIA quote regarding public opinion comes to mind, but the proud boys send a few patriotic prayers your way regardless.




posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: skywatcher44


It's completely rational that you support welfare for the idle rich. Clearly, they are not rich enough and need to keep more of their income that requires no work to grow. That makes so much sense. I'm glad that you have enlightened us.

It's not free stuff when the rich get it. It's something something America. It is as if because the rich don't work for their money -- it grows in investment accounts -- it's magical money that should be ignored. Poor people not being able to get decent health care is a small price to pay for the rich to have more, don't you think?

Somewhere a nose is being cut off to spite a face.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kaylaluv

You're wasting your time on nuances like that. They don't care about nuance. Bernie said free therefore regardless of context that means socialism is for free stuff. That's standard conservative logic these days.


Leftist want free meaning they don't have to reach into their own personal pocket to pay for it. They know someone has to pay for it hence why every policy is supposed to be funded by the "rich".

This is one of those strawmen I was talking about on page 1. A progressive income tax doesn't just charge the rich. Yes the rich pick up more of the burden, but they aren't the only ones paying the cost.

Also, your argument is the classic, "I've got mine, # you!" argument that many conservative deploy against Social programs.


Of course, where all this breaks down is that the rich can't pay for everything. You could take every asset the 1% owns and it still couldn't pay for everything. As a result, what really happens is that the middle class winds up paying for everything.

This is another strawman. No one is demanding the rich "pay for everything". Universal health care or universal high education isn't "everything". So you are being melodramatic here too.


Your ability to play stupid is impressive. How you deny reality with a straight face sometimes is just mind boggling. So now you are going to really sit here and act like leftist aren't constantly attacking anyone they perceive to be wealthy?

From Bernie Sander's own website he claims he will pay for things by taxing "wall street speculators". You know damn well that is a euphemism for "rich."

We didn't just have an election where leftist were constantly droning on about making the wealthy "pay their fair share?"

Progressive income tax? Buddy, half the country pays ZERO federal income tax. The bottom 2 or 3 % actually have negative tax rates meaning they are getting money from the government. Are you serious?

Most conservatives have no problem with social programs but they must be fiscally sound. They also shouldn't be a permanent way of life. Social programs are best administered locally where there is less bureaucracy and needs can be better assessed and fraud better monitored.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

Once you take out the profit issue within the healthcare topic,.


So where does the money for all that research and development come from?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: Thejoncrichton

originally posted by: introvert

Once you take out the profit issue within the healthcare topic,.


So where does the money for all that research and development come from?


Oh! I'll answer!

Government gets to decide what things to study!




posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Maybe you're even too far gone to get lost in the first place?

A certain CIA quote regarding public opinion comes to mind, but the proud boys send a few patriotic prayers your way regardless.



I'm very outspoken against our foreign projection as many here are.

I understand people from different countries may look at how things are here and disagree.

I personally haven't struggled with personal responsibility, so I don't make demands for reform until I see someone with a proposal I think will work.

I don't come from a rich family, and I didn't go to an ivy league school and I do just fine. Anyone can say what they want about America, that's their right.

But I will say if you want to make it here and work hard and are creative, you can.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Your ability to play stupid is impressive. How you deny reality with a straight face sometimes is just mind boggling. So now you are going to really sit here and act like leftist aren't constantly attacking anyone they perceive to be wealthy?

Liberals attacking wealthy people is an ENTIRELY different discussion than what we were just discussing (tax burden for Social programs) so I'm going to sit here with a straight face and call this a deflection.


From Bernie Sander's own website he claims he will pay for things by taxing "wall street speculators". You know damn well that is a euphemism for "rich."

We didn't just have an election where leftist were constantly droning on about making the wealthy "pay their fair share?"

That doesn't mean that lesser rich or middle class don't pay their share too.


Progressive income tax? Buddy, half the country pays ZERO federal income tax. The bottom 2 or 3 % actually have negative tax rates meaning they are getting money from the government. Are you serious?

You mention this like it is a bad thing.


Most conservatives have no problem with social programs but they must be fiscally sound. They also shouldn't be a permanent way of life. Social programs are best administered locally where there is less bureaucracy and needs can be better assessed and fraud better monitored.

HAHAHAHAHA! I don't believe a single word of this paragraph. It just comes across as a huge joke. Especially the first sentence. If y'all believed in fiscally sound social programs, you wouldn't be supporting politicians that self-sabotage social programs then point to that self-sabotage as inefficiency. You wouldn't be supporting politicians who routinely cut back funding on social programs making them more and more inefficient. You'd support social program reform and fixing them. So don't lie to me. I know you don't like social programs at all.
edit on 15-8-2018 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: interupt42



The left also doesn't spend any time owning up to their failures such as forcing Hillary on the people nor the embarrassment of the DNC rigged election. The left also doesn't appear to be spending any time searching for an actual worthy candidate for next election so we don't end up with another lesser lesser evil BS election. The left surely isn't spending anytime keeping the wacko radical left from taking the front and center with the loudest MIC. The left surely doesn't spend anytime seeing how unhelpful their PC and strategy towards sexism and racism really is , which does the opposite of helping and actually encourages division,hate , and anger among the races and sexes by stereotyping victims and villains.


You may have some reasonable point that deserve discussion, but not when used as a deflection from another topic.



I wouldn't call making a thread every 1 second about how trump is a failure for not fixing the issues which existed under all the previous POTUS as a debate. The other issue with the LEFT is their elitist ,hypocritical and self righteous view of themselves as opposed to the RIGHT or anyone that doesn't agree with them. This is why trump happened not because of the Russians. People are sick of it and sent a big F U to both party with Trump. This is coming from someone who has no party loyalty nor voted for Trump and actually felt Bernie was the better candidate . Personally I haven't seen an actual debate here . All I see is my party is better than your party stupidity nor anyones willingness to put their political differences aside and actually fix things.


Every 1 second?

Not only does deflection make discussion difficult, so does hyperbole.

No one wants to engage a bunch of drama queens that cannot even be honest enough to frame situation in proper context.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

Someone is.

www.govtrack.us...

Not a single Republican voted for it.

Democrats OWN IT.


Not surprised you do not know where the individual mandate came from.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Doesn't matter one GD bit.

No Republican voted for that GD bill.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: Thejoncrichton

originally posted by: introvert

Once you take out the profit issue within the healthcare topic,.


So where does the money for all that research and development come from?


R and D is considered part of the "cost", but I was specifically referring to insurance profit as a major factor.

That was in the post you replied to, but you conveniently left that out of your quote.

Also, did you know that R and D funding is part of the scam as well? That is why the US is starting to fall behind on medical R and D.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Thejoncrichton

originally posted by: introvert

Once you take out the profit issue within the healthcare topic,.


So where does the money for all that research and development come from?


Oh! I'll answer!

Government gets to decide what things to study!



The question was about funding, not what gets studied.

Pay attention.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't see myself as being in a different system for running around in Germany, to be frank. I don't care if you can make it or not. Nor did the OP of this thread.

Will the kids of our kids still be able to inhabit this planet without gasmasks and gene-therapy, or are we going to wreck that naive dream, cuz a bunch of yesterdays monkeys had to "work hard and be creative in order to make a living"?

Could be a conspiracy though, somebody should put Q-anon on to this...



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


I don't see myself as being in a different system for running around in Germany, to be frank. I don't care if you can make it or not. Nor did the OP of this thread.

Will the kids of our kids still be able to inhabit this planet without gasmasks and gene-therapy, or are we going to wreck that naive dream, cuz a bunch of yesterdays monkeys had to "work hard and be creative in order to make a living"?


Easy there killer. You were making it sound like America is far gone, I pointed out people can make it here just fine.

Whether or not you care, I feel like you were implying America is imploding, hence my response. But if we're splitting hairs, I didn't see anything in the OP about kids walking around in gas masks. America could certainly do better to make sure the environment is protected, but I doubt the world will make any significant gains on that front so long as they're all addicted to fossil fuels, Europe included. If we find clean renewable energy with fast charging long lasting batteries I think we'll be fine. My guess is the market will dictate that direction soon, but I could be wrong.

Now go breath yourself some of that fresh untainted German air and settle down, lol.... I jest.




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