For the hating Dems and Antifa Clowns.

a reply to: Thejoncrichton

Take your ego and put it on a chair. Then sit on it. There, now its in the right position.

Cancer studies in the world, and the USA isn't the pinacle of supreme knowledge or wisdom or even in achieving something really worthwhile there.


You US-Americans are just scammed by the monopolistic structures of your healthcare industries.
Yes, there are far better ways to do it.

No, the Mayo-clinic isn't saving the world. The CDC neither. What else to mention? Eh, discard them, they aren't on the top of the medical scientific advantages.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

I agree. That is why many of us were pissed that Obama would take a Republican-created idea, the individual mandate, and force it on to the American people.

Right because Democrats are soo stupid, They have to plagerized someone else's idea and pass it off as their own.

IN that case, yes. The individual mandate was created by the Right Wing. Romney put it in place in Mass.

I love it.

Dems can NEVER own up to the snip they pull.

ALWAYS someone elses fault.

Well, it's true. Are you this ignorant?

The individual mandate was pushed by the Heritage Foundation.

www.forbes.com...

originally posted by: Thejoncrichton

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

So Hillary would have been better for "right wingers"?

But... but... but... Hillary? So we can't address a thing without some idiot claiming, that it might be worse under Hillary? What is this, the double-blind-deaf-and-silent approach?

You won. I'll take the right-wingers back. It's probably PRussian Trolls on a funny PR dayjob, eager to make the real rightwingers like Dick Cheney look like utter idiots. And it works like a charme, even if they could manage that on their own with another interview on "Who is America".

Talking about efficiency, I start to think that you're my Prussian brethren wasting away tax monies for Muttis Infokrieg or something. Impressive work!

a reply to: introvert

We do not spend much time actually debating facts or what people on the Left actually believe.

The left also doesn't spend any time owning up to their failures such as forcing Hillary on the people nor the embarrassment of the DNC rigged election.

The left also doesn't appear to be spending any time searching for an actual worthy candidate for next election so we don't end up with another lesser lesser evil BS election.

The left surely isn't spending anytime keeping the wacko radical left from taking the front and center with the loudest MIC.

The left surely doesn't spend anytime seeing how unhelpful their PC and strategy towards sexism and racism really is , which does the opposite of helping and actually encourages division,hate , and anger among the races and sexes by stereotyping victims and villains.

We spend our time debating the ignorant propaganda the Right Wing has been fed for decades that isn't even true.

I wouldn't call making a thread every 1 second about how trump is a failure for not fixing the issues which existed under all the previous POTUS as a debate.


The other issue with the LEFT is their elitist ,hypocritical and self righteous view of themselves as opposed to the RIGHT or anyone that doesn't agree with them. This is why trump happened not because of the Russians. People are sick of it and sent a big F U to both party with Trump.

This is coming from someone who has no party loyalty nor voted for Trump and actually felt Bernie was the better candidate .


Personally I haven't seen an actual debate here . All I see is my party is better than your party stupidity nor anyones willingness to put their political differences aside and actually fix things.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Oh there is DEFINITELY waste too. I'm not denying that at all.

a reply to: introvert

Someone is.

www.govtrack.us...

Not a single Republican voted for it.

Democrats OWN IT.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

My bottom line, whenever there is a cry for tax increases to pay for social programs is a resounding NO because they don't spend our money wisely, prudently.

I don't how rewarding them (government) for mismanagement of our money will improve anything.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kaylaluv

You're wasting your time on nuances like that. They don't care about nuance. Bernie said free therefore regardless of context that means socialism is for free stuff. That's standard conservative logic these days.

Leftist want free meaning they don't have to reach into their own personal pocket to pay for it. They know someone has to pay for it hence why every policy is supposed to be funded by the "rich".

Of course, where all this breaks down is that the rich can't pay for everything. You could take every asset the 1% owns and it still couldn't pay for everything. As a result, what really happens is that the middle class winds up paying for everything.

Again, no truer words than Thatcher's quip about running out of other people's money.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Oh there is DEFINITELY waste too. I'm not denying that at all.

And I'm not saying that having an efficient state run health program is impossible, but it is in the current political climate.

First we need to overhaul our government, mainly regulate lobbyism and campaign finance.

Then both sides will have to meet in the middle somehow (I propose luxury taxes on unhealthy consumables instead of percentage on income taxes).

And finally, citizens need to learn how to discuss issues with facts and data without arguing through a partisan lense.

But most importantly, we need to realize many of our critics, and people we are critical of have valid points. For instance, at the end of the day over 50% of my income goes to taxes. I'm not willing to pay a dime more, and there are ways to do that, mainly cut wasted spending, not increase money taken in.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: CriticalStinker

My bottom line, whenever there is a cry for tax increases to pay for social programs is a resounding NO because they don't spend our money wisely, prudently.

I don't how rewarding them (government) for mismanagement of our money will improve anything.

I'm with you 110%. I'm all for ramping up education (like I'm really for that), making sure soldiers and vets are taken care of, overhauling infrastructure, so on and so forth.

I'm for doing these things by evaluating how we are spending the money, something that is rarely done.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


Sorry, I don't see what you are talking about. Perhaps you should prove your own point?

Already did in my original reply to you.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Take your ego and put it on a chair. Then sit on it. There, now its in the right position.

Not ego. Just facts.

www.forbes.com...

My bet is Military spending is the leader in waste and over charging. Public fear of not being able to destroy the world and all of it's boogie men helps to fuel it.

a reply to: Thejoncrichton

I know and the point about you taking it out of context was mentioned to you. That's why I ignored that post. I knew there was going to be at least one person who grab for the low hanging fruit and ignore context. You didn't disappoint.

originally posted by: roadgravel
My bet is Military spending is the leader in waste and over charging. Public fear of not being able to destroy the world and all of it's boogie men helps to fuel it.

No argument here.

originally posted by: Thejoncrichton

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Take your ego and put it on a chair. Then sit on it. There, now its in the right position.

Not ego. Just facts.

www.forbes.com...

Yeah, this is one of those facts that leftist really don't like. Greed is what drives innovation. Being able to be richly rewarded for figuring out how to do something better is what drives most innovation.

Universal healthcare works for routine stuff, but when the SHTF in regards to your health, everyone comes to the US for the most part as that is where the best care if found. Yes, it could break you financially if you aren't fully insured, but you'd still be alive.

In fact, one of the biggest problems with our healthcare system is that it has gotten too good. We are keeping people alive longer who decades ago, would have long died. It is expensive keeping old codgers alive.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I'd start with overturning Citizens United, like yesterday.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Medicare for all would be possible and cheaper.

theintercept.com...

There's no debate on this issue, or is it?

I rarely see government projects come in at projected cost. So just because someone came up with a number, I wouldn't say there is no debate. I'm not saying it isn't true, but we're speaking in hypotheticals here.

That's it! Hypothetical debates, if there are any. And no common sense, either. You folks are lost, nobody would dare to take a closer look to Europe cuz... ya know... socialism!

And people still say the Nazis lost the war, it's like some sad running gag of sorts when you think about it. What the eff happened to you guys with Paperclip?

Go ahead and put Antifa in the same corner with the swastika bearing refugee center burning maniacs. You think I'm just another genocidal prick for holding up a candle on some light-chain-protest against fascism or what? Must be truth, and nothing but the truth, when you can hear that spin all day long on Foxy-News, eh?

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kaylaluv

You're wasting your time on nuances like that. They don't care about nuance. Bernie said free therefore regardless of context that means socialism is for free stuff. That's standard conservative logic these days.

Leftist want free meaning they don't have to reach into their own personal pocket to pay for it. They know someone has to pay for it hence why every policy is supposed to be funded by the "rich".

This is one of those strawmen I was talking about on page 1. A progressive income tax doesn't just charge the rich. Yes the rich pick up more of the burden, but they aren't the only ones paying the cost.

Also, your argument is the classic, "I've got mine, # you!" argument that many conservative deploy against Social programs.

Of course, where all this breaks down is that the rich can't pay for everything. You could take every asset the 1% owns and it still couldn't pay for everything. As a result, what really happens is that the middle class winds up paying for everything.

This is another strawman. No one is demanding the rich "pay for everything". Universal health care or universal high education isn't "everything". So you are being melodramatic here too.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I'd start with overturning Citizens United, like yesterday.

Works for me.

Say good bye to Unions, and the DNC( ruled a private corporation in the primary lawsuit).

We are a private corporation with no obligation to follow the rules.