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The Universe is Mental, God is the All in Everything

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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Stories based on facts.......are facts. LoL

Do you understand the major difference between fact and fiction?

A fact is a true incident whereas fiction is an imaginative creation. Facts have nothing to do with the mind, already being an existent event or phenomenon.

Some axiom Itisnowagain you simply have to accept else the arguments simply become circular and counterproductive.




posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake

A fact is a true incident whereas fiction is an imaginative creation.


Is it a fact that you are a thing separate to all that is?



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

A fact is anything that is done or happens, a statement that is consistent with objective reality or can be proven with evidence.

Simple really.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Stories based on facts.......are facts. LoL


There is no such thing as a 'true' story.

'This' that 'stories appear within' is true...........but is overlooked.

if stories are believed then there will be conflict, arguing about which story is true. That is why beliefs divide.

This that IS cannot be divided.........all that appears disappears in it.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain

A fact is anything that is done or happens,

What is happening is happening .....yes....it is being what it is.


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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

True story, you seem to have an issue distinguishing between physics and metaphysics.

That's your problem right there mate, or so it seems to me.

But like i said to another fellow, believe what you wish, as its all the same to me, life, the universe and everyone else.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain

True story, you seem to have an issue distinguishing between physics and metaphysics.

That's your problem right there mate, or so it seems to me.

But like i said to another fellow, believe what you wish, as its all the same to me, life, the universe and everyone else.

The point is there is belief or not.
I do not believe.................because who or what could believe?
Does this that actually IS need believing?

No problem here and no one to have a problem.

Do you believe that there is a 'you' separate to what is? Is there any thing separate to what is?



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

I believe what can be proven via mathematics and science, simple really.

I accept basic axioms which allow us to convey complex information.

Look at it this way, if there is not a me, then you and i are the same thing, and yet we do not agree, does that not suggest a modicum of separation?

Guess im talking to myself again, following your most illogical train of thought?



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake
Let's clear up the first belief.
Do you believe that you are separate to what is happening?



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Define "what is happening"?

Because following your train of thought, i do not exist and you are talking to yourself via an imaginary keyboard which also does not exist.

Is existence happing Itisnowagain?



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Define "what is happening"?

What is happening cannot be put into words (defined) but it is all that there is....so is pretty hard to miss....but amazingly gets totally overlooked because of words.

Words make believe there are separate things.

Language conceals the truth. George Carlin.
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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:46 AM
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No thing is happening.....there is simply this.... being what it is.
There is no thing separate....it is one without a second.
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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 08:59 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
Because following your train of thought, i do not exist and you are talking to yourself via an imaginary keyboard which also does not exist.

This may help clear 'things' up.

Or not?



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 09:07 AM
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posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Ile give them a view when i get up the road.



posted on Sep, 3 2018 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Sorry, that doesn't clarify much other the guy is afraid of death.

Just like everyone else.

Truth is we fear the unknown at a primal level down to the fact that it's generally what we don't know that kills us.

Facing the truth and knowing the truth are somewhat different kettles of fish.

Science is still science, math is still math, and a leap of faith is still exactly just that.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 02:34 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Nothin

Lets put it this way if a system of belief can stand up to logical deduction then it may be true, but that won't be the case unless there are facts/evidence/repeatable results and experimentation to support the system of belief.

Else you are simply back to it being a leap of faith.

What kind of discrepancies do you mean and what is the belief system you have in mind?

What do you believe Nothin? Because for all intent and purpose 1+1=2.


But when is a belief ever true? Can it be shown?

Have we not already agreed in this thread, that science never quite gets there?

What 'truth' can be shown?

By discrepancies, meant speed-bumps, or questions that are exposed under examination.
Discrepancies that might appear when 'logic/logical deduction', is used to examin a local version of 'common-sense',
or when 'common-sense', is used to examine 'logic/logical deduction'.

Does a man use 'logic/logical deduction', to figure if it's raining out?
If so: then how the heck does a dog, or a bat figure that it's raining out?
It is said that bats don't like rain, and we all know that dogs love rain, because it gets their coat smelling just the way they like it.

Am examining beliefs, and eliminating some, on a regular basis.
Feels like anyone holding-down a job, renewing the plates on a vehicule and driver's license, putting-on clothes before going out, even if it'S 32°C out, even enaging in any relationship, is engaging beliefs.

But that's from way down deep, deeper, deep, at the level of the inquiry of ItIsNowAgain.
If that level may have been glimpsed, even for an instant, then everything above that level will be exposed as a belief.
It is tourtuous to our ego, to go that deep.
It is understandable when someone is not interested in this kind of deep inquiry.

Am not at such a deep level, but somehow, somewhere in between.



posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
Truth is we fear the unknown at a primal level down to the fact that it's generally what we don't know that kills us.

Unknowing is denied....but can what 'this that actually Is' be known?
It is the great mystery.


The mind tries to make you safe................but it is fear itself.......because it does not know and deep down you know it doesn't!!!






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posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 03:29 AM
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originally posted by: Nothin
Am examining beliefs, and eliminating some, on a regular basis.
Feels like anyone holding-down a job, renewing the plates on a vehicule and driver's license, putting-on clothes before going out, even if it'S 32°C out, even enaging in any relationship, is engaging beliefs.

No one is holding down a job and no one puts clothes on.
No one actually does anything...........life is simply just happening.


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posted on Sep, 4 2018 @ 03:32 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake
Gosh, you still slugging it out here? Respect to you mate.
I have to admit, some of the comments from others I just can't get my head around, it's like they see the world as an imaginary consciousness or something, a lot of it seems like woo hocus pocus to me.
Not that it matters, I have no opinion on unverifiable things, my perception of being alive in the now is all I care about, whatever happens after I die is no matter to me. Higher celestial plane or wormfood, meh, I'll deal with it when it happens.

Interesting reading though so thanks to everyone posting, even if I don't understand or agree with the points made.




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