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HARD LEFT- New Poll Shows Most DEMOCRATS Prefer SOCIALISM to Capitalism

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posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 06:55 PM
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The issue is, the left want forced socialism


The people voting for something is not "forced". And what the hell do you call our current system, benign? Capitalism is extremely coercive, people do all kinds of things they don't want to just to survive.




posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



The opportunities for corruption are many orders of magnitude higher in a socialist system


Wrong again. There is no socialist country (real socialist, not dictatorships like Cuba) thati is as corrupt or destructive as the United States is now. Socialism is a society based on providing for human needs, which means there's no real incentive to be evil and make tons of money. That is in capitalism, and dicatatorships, in which the only measure of life is money, so of course it will cause massive corruption.

How could anyone be so ignorant to believe that people who are raised to worship money would not be more corrupt than people who just want to live their lives and be themselves???
And socialists don't worship money when they expect the government to confiscate working people's money in order to give them free stuff?????? It's really a matter of perspective.
I think it's incredibly naïve to think that depending on the government for one's welfare is safe harbor. If you think politicians are corrupt now, just think how corrupt they would be if a fully socialist system was set up. Right now we have a mixed economy.
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posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



The issue is, the left want forced socialism


The people voting for something is not "forced". And what the hell do you call our current system, benign? Capitalism is extremely coercive, people do all kinds of things they don't want to just to survive.

I don't recall voting for Obamacare. That is as forced as it gets. The socialist Democrat politicians voted for that. Now, after that, socialism is forced redistribution of income. That means "we have to give up some of our pie so others can have more", to quote Michelle Obama. I don't recall voting to give up my paycheck for a bunch of illegal squatters to come in and take whatever they darn please. That is seriously messed up and most thinking Americans will not put up with that.
This Cortez woman is seriously messed up in her little utopian brain.



posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

Capitalism and socialism are not mutually exclusive and in fact must coexist in order for socialism to work. You are confused a socialist government would not take your patent. That would be more like communism or leninism.
That is absolutely not true. Socialism/communism is the centralized control of the MEANS OF PRODUCTION. Sorry for the big caps but some of yas got to get this already. The State will take whatever it pleases and is already doing so, not because of Capitalism but because of socialism already entrenched in welfare programs and also because in a socialist state is totalitarian rule. Sorry, you are the one who needs to do the homework. Don't listen to Bernie and that nutcase Ocasio. They are totally pie in the sky. Socialism simply does not work. If you think that the communist Soviet Socialist Republic did not rely on socialistic means then you are sadly mistaken. Full socialism would be total control of the means of production. In the fascist society, there was totalitarian control of all the aspects of people's lives and yet some private companies were still allowed to function.
Ever heard of public-private partnerships? This is the new "communitarianism" which word the Democrat author Rosa Koire wrote about....here's her book Behind The Green Mask...www.rosakoire-bgm.com...
The New World Order is neither right nor left as the late Antony Sutton wrote. It is the synthesis in the Hegelian dialectic and managed conflict to use Sutton's writing on the subject.
Have you noticed the new Totalitarians want to control the waterways and land resources? That is Agenda 21.



posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Socialism is an economic system like capitalism.
Socialism has its good sides and bad sides just like capitalsm.
The core of capitalism is free market and it knows no borders or nationalities.
Many of you who endorse capitalism and dislike socialism but want closed borders and American companies to return to the US are in fact ideologically closer to national socialism than capitalism.


You can't be a successful capitalists in the current day without using a whole bunch of socialist type services to get there.

Capitalism for our wants.
Socialism for our needs.



posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 09:21 PM
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And socialists don't worship money when they expect the government to confiscate working people's money in order to give them free stuff


They pay a lot of taxes for the services they get, how is that "free stuff?".

Capitalists get lots of free stuff now off of our backs, it is slavery in disguise.



posted on Aug, 14 2018 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



And socialists don't worship money when they expect the government to confiscate working people's money in order to give them free stuff


They pay a lot of taxes for the services they get, how is that "free stuff?".

Capitalists get lots of free stuff now off of our backs, it is slavery in disguise.


True, but why don't you tell that to Bernie, Ocasio, and all the young college kids in the Democratic Socialists of America chapters springing up everywhere. Oh yes, its free until we realize someone has to pay for it. Ocasio and Bernie run on the faulty logic of soaking the rich to pay for the poor and everyone is happy cause the rich won't even feel it right.....

Well you know what, everyone is going to feel it. Not to mention that no matter how much you soak the rich, it still won't pay the outrageous trillions being spent. There's also the fact that the government borrows money from a private entity called the Federal Reserve. The Fed just prints and prints and prints money(something the Treasury is really supposed to do) and we pay the interest on the loans. The more they print the more inflation happens. Inflation is a hidden tax. How can we keep up with massive inflation as we see happening now?

See G Edward Griffin for more information on the Federal Reserve.

I never said I approve of Crony Capitalism. That is not a true free enterprise system. How do you think such people as Nancy Pelosi can promote socialism while using the Capitalist system and her position in Congress to make millions. Oh wait did you think she was going to share that with you? Or the illegals for that matter? Same goes for little miss Maxine Watters. I bet little miss Ocasio is not so poor either. These are the limosine liberals who promote socialist stuff for us but have their own little Cadillac stuff for themselves.

Socialism, as promoted currently is nothing but pie in the sky nonsense, but underneath that patina is the real scumball totalitarian agenda, where the rulers have all they want and we have collective misery.
I have to correct your statement though, because there are people getting free stuff, but we pay. Like that muslim guy with 3 wives and 22 kids who gets 360,000 $/yr payout from our government. That is the corrupted Obama/Pelosi/Soros system.
Were you getting that much?
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posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 02:22 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Do me a favor Google the second sentence of your post and carefully read the paragraph that pops up. In case you don't want to it says" In a Socialist economy,the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively(meaning by the people) or by a centralized government." Socialism comes in many different forms and there numerous schools of thought on how it should implemented. the one you describe is leninism.The one democratic socialists want is based around the melding of socialist and capitalist policies Into a system that benefits everyone and not just the obscenely rich.

If I may ask what has the state already taken or taken control of?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen


Big whoop - and Republicans favor authoritarism over equality and freedom. I'll take socialism any day over strong man politics built around a Trump personality cult.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

The same Poll shows the Republicans Positive View of Socialism has increased 3% in the past two years, whilst Democrats Positive View of socialism has decreased 1%.

Numbers are interesting things.

news.gallup.com...



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

If I may ask what has the state already taken or taken control of?



The Steele Industry (Through selective tariffs and selective granting of exceptions to US Steel Companies) and Agriculture (again through tariffs and bailouts)?

We are talking about Trump? Right?



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Socialism is an economic system like capitalism.
Socialism has its good sides and bad sides just like capitalsm.
The core of capitalism is free market and it knows no borders or nationalities.
Many of you who endorse capitalism and dislike socialism but want closed borders and American companies to return to the US are in fact ideologically closer to national socialism than capitalism.


You can't be a successful capitalists in the current day without using a whole bunch of socialist type services to get there.



What cracks me up is that the people that depend on free stuff from government are usually the ones screaming the loudest about socialism.

Drilling for oil on Federal Lands? Grazing and fattening up Cattle for sale on Federal Lands?

Or just the everyday Trump Supporter living off Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Food-Stamps etc.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: xuenchen

The same Poll shows the Republicans Positive View of Socialism has increased 3% in the past two years, whilst Democrats Positive View of socialism has decreased 1%.

Numbers are interesting things.

news.gallup.com...



assStounding !!! 😃




posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 06:43 PM
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I have only skimmed the replies to the OP, but when I saw the headline of the post, the first thing that popped into my mind was, "Yea, and most polls said that Hillary was going to win". I don't think we should believe everything just because the info was gathered using a poll. The Hillary is going to win by a big margin poll thing shows is just how inaccurate polls can be.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Metallicus
They have a whole continent in Europe they can move to, but instead want to crap all over America. We need some place to be free of the socialists and failed European policies.


You guys are funny.

Scared, ignorant little men.


Oh do please enlighten us to the virtues of socialism wise one. Like you all ever get tired of saying "If it's just implemented right it will work" or "we have never seen a completely socialist WORKING nation" or some such nonsense.

The reality is socialism works great the less diversity you have. Not sure why this is hard to grasp for you all. Just look at the nation's that you all point to as examples. Less than 10 million predominantly white. You all are no where near smart enough to take everyone into account that's for sure.

Oh and I'm far from scared jr. In fact if you wanna tinker with everyone's futures move to California leave the republic and start Mexico 2.0 for all I care.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: watchitburn
I've said before, at some point in the near future we'll have to look at a socialism type of economic system or trade/barter once we move into the post-occupational Era. Caused by automation and AI.

But we are not at the point yet, and trying to force it will just lead to collapsing the economy and more unrest and wars.


I do not think we will ever see a purely socialist economic system. It is vital that we have a mixed economy.


Yeah, because someone has to be stupid enough to make stuff so you guys can steal it and take it for free.



posted on Aug, 15 2018 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: RAY1990

What I meant was without a southern border we are Mexico. Literally.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Send the DemWits to live in Argentina and they'll come back with an informed and changed attitude.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 02:49 AM
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originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: xuenchen


Big whoop - and Republicans favor authoritarism over equality and freedom. I'll take socialism any day over strong man politics built around a Trump personality cult.


Do you even know history!?? The Democrats fought Republican Lincoln to NOT have the slaves freed. The DemWits are just trying to re-enslave you...all your income is their income to redistribute as they see fit, to all their crony friends first.



posted on Aug, 16 2018 @ 03:07 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Perhaps if capitalism was not so brutal in its dog eat dog, the best man wins - winner take all philosophy; more people might prefer it.

Perhaps if the cold war against THE GIGANTIC BIG REDS UNDER THE BED FEAR WAR waged by the US and its slave states during the 1950s - 1970's many might not be so fearful of a combo of socialism and capitalism.

Perhaps then we might have a less extreme society. We might then have all the benefits of the free enterprise system but a more equitable and fairer society.




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