Conservatives call for constitutional intervention last seen 230 years ago

a reply to: JoshuaCox

So what was the last law passed by young black thugs in the streets???

What was the last young black thug in the street who paid off a congressman or senator??

What was the last young black thug in the streets who made millions off of tax payer dollars???

Key word in all that: THUGS. Thank God almighty no thugs, of whatever skin color, get to make law.

And with a statement like that, thank God you don't either.

TheRedneck

a reply to: neo96

Right federal laws that protect citizens at the cost of profits to big business. Line C states all the things the federal government has done to protect us from businesses completely running everything.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Exactly...

And that is why pointing fingers at the powerless as the root cause of all our problems is retarded and propaganda meant for stupid people..

It is propaganda 101...

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I'm sorry... actually, that's a figure of speech; no I'm not... I'll point a finger at any thugs that I happen to see. They're criminals by definition.

ETA: It is also quite racist of you to try to equate being black with being a thug. There are good black folk and white thugs. Skin color don't matter, and you really need to understand that.

TheRedneck

I'd be for this if it only strengthens the existing constitution. You know? Like added "laws", that the founders never dreamed needed to be spelled out because at that/their time, it was common knowledge. Like don't steal from the people, and.. the federal government is limited to "enumerated" authority. Oh wait! It's already in their!
Yeah. I don't see the point in this. How about the "Sovereign States" inact their own term limits on representatives? Nothing in the constitution against that.
How about the States demanding Congress do the few "enumerated" things delegated to them? ..To simple? No?

This actually isn't a new call. There's been a push for this brewing for years.

Convention of States map

It's actually been passed already in 12 states. 10 others have had it pass in one chamber of their state legislature, but in most of those it is stalled in the other chamber. Of the remaining states, 17 of them have active legislation for it.

I'm on the fence about it. I understand the concerns some people have about it getting out of control, but don't we already have that? What other solution is there? Hope enough people in the country wake up and stop voting in the same assholes time after time? Wait for Congress to fix things themselves?

originally posted by: neo96
and give states power to veto ANY federal law.

That part is unacceptable.

The US would collapse if we eliminate the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution.

I'm a Constitutionalist and fully support and defend the Constitution over the petty whims of the states. Federal law must trump state law in order to protect the rights of all US citizens from whatever crazy junta dictatorship would pop up in the vacuum.

originally posted by: neo96
I'd fully support this agenda. Balanced budget,TERM LIMITS for CONGRESS,repealing the federal income tax, and give states power to veto ANY federal law. If it actually comes to fruition, I think it could be one of the best things that has happened in modern times.

You don't think that this would allow liberal leaning states to just ditch the US Constitution? If some of these states are allowed to veto any federal law, then we can just toss the Bill of Rights into the garbage can. As it sits right now, some of these state already use colorful language to revoke guaranteed rights to the people in their states. So while some of the issues are good in appearance, I think I will hold off any judgements until it becomes public with what's being proposed.

Originally posted by: Lumenari:

We’re either going to become a socialist, Marxist country like western Europe, or we’re going to be free.

Senator Tom Coburn

Senator who?

That's one dumb son of a bitch, that senator of yours.

• For starters, Western Europe is not a country. It's a conglomerate of thirty-ish countries, each with its own type of government and own set of Laws. We have republics, kingdoms, and even a Grand Duchy.
  
• All of these countries are free, well, at least according to the Freedom House ratings for the European Union and surrounding states, as of 2018 (linky). Note that the Freedom House is an American institution;
  
• Non of these countries is even close to a Marxist system, if that even exists - a Marxist state is an oxymoron, as Marx abhorred the State, in any form. States, as he saw it, are political systems that are "merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another".
  
• Socialism is indeed part of the EU culture as almost all countries here adhere to the Judeo-Christian believe system, hence "taking care of others" is seen as noble and the right thing to do. I believe the US is based on the very same principles.
  

a reply to: TheRedneck

I am referring to the race baiting media coverage on basically every single American conservative media site on the planet..

Because that is how they scare those stupid enough to fall for their garbage..

By race baiting/fear mongering powerless groups as a deflection so they can rape and pillage the economy..


PS..

It is funny how few liberals are triggered the stereotype “PC culture”. Tropes...

It’s almost like all of the PC culture stuff is propaganda meant to fool stupid people....


Almost as if that is another way they point to the powerless as a deflection..

Hmmmmm...

a reply to: ForteanOrg

You mean all that Fox News coverage is a blantant lie meant to propagandize stupid people?!?!

You don’t say?!?!



Who would ever have guessed it?!?


Lol

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: ForteanOrg

You mean all that Fox News coverage is a blantant lie meant to propagandize stupid people?!?!

You don’t say?!?!



Who would ever have guessed it?!?


Lol

You, and the article you reference, are misleading about the Convention of States.

conventionofstates.com...

Amazing how one search turns up the truth.

It takes 34 states to call the convention and 38 to ratify any amendments that are proposed. Our convention would only allow the states to discuss amendments that, “limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, impose fiscal restraints, and place term limits on federal officials.”

So, two thirds of the State Legislatures would have to call a convention with specific objectives and then agree on proposed Constitutional changes. Then a super majority (3/4) of the states would have to approve said changes. Thereby proposed amendments are approved by The Republic and not Congress. Its the only way for those outside of Washington to reel-in both parties. I think I trust my fellow Americans and their State Legislators more than the swamp or uninformed posters on ATS.


Besides, isn't The Guardian a British publication? Seems they'd get their facts right before commenting on an American political movement.