Didn't You Say That Newbies Couldn't Fly Jets Into WTC ??

Nvm.

a reply to: samkent

Big difference between a 2 seater traveling at 150mph vs a fully loaded commercial airliner traveling at 3 times that speed. Sure I'll give you the towers... But what about the Pentagon? That's even less probable...

Not claiming to know the truth. But I do know this is a very weak comparison.

originally posted by: Slinki
a reply to: kelbtalfenek

The loops and barrel rolls were intentional. He pulled off that barrel roll and nearly slammed into the water, but he was able to pull up in time. Pretty impressive for somebody who is quoted saying that video games were what helped him with flying an aircraft.

Some flight sim and air combat sim video games are quite sophisticated, enabling the player to learn about setting trim, manually setting fuel mixtures for different altitudes, flap management, and much more. So I don't doubt that it's possible.

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: samkent

I call your correct assessment and raise you remote controlled large aircraft.....

I call your remote controlled plane and raise you a reindeer driven sleigh. Flying reindeer of course.

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

They were I intentional he was talking about it on the radio.

a reply to: generik

But they took flying lessons

originally posted by: Osirisvset
He was an aircraft mechanic so would probably have a pretty fair knowledge of what he was doing.

i understood that the guy was a ground crew worker. he mentions in the audio about his minimum wage job.

a reply to: ParasuvO

They recorded him on the tower radio. They had video.
They had eye witnesses.
What do you doubt?

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: samkent

First off...the plane he stole was a prop plane, not a jet.

Actually a twin prop plane can be harder to fly. On a pure jet you only have to manage the throttles. On a turboprop you have to manage the throttles and control the pitch of the prop blades.

originally posted by: samkent
Worker Steals Plane and does Loops and Barrel rolls

Not bad flying for someone who has never flown a plane before !
This guy started the engines and backed out to line up on the taxiway.
Then he took off without permission.
Put on a great aerobatic show.
Then intentionally plowed the plane into the ground away from the public.

Just goes to show you don't much experience to crash a plane into a target.

So his target was the ground vs 911 targets were buildings and you think that’s a good comparison?

a reply to: surfer_soul

Even the terrorists went through some flight training and it was the plane that crashed into the pentagon that was the real head scratcher for anyone who knows a thing or two about piloting an aircraft.

Pilot of Flight 77, Hani Hanjour, had

1 A pilots license

2 Commercial rating

3 Time in jet simulator - one of the items signed off by instructor was " TIGHT TUNS"

Turn made was descending 270 degree to line back up at Pentagon after overshooting

Only the conspiracy loons believe could not be done …...

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: samkent
Worker Steals Plane and does Loops and Barrel rolls

Not bad flying for someone who has never flown a plane before !
This guy started the engines and backed out to line up on the taxiway.
Then he took off without permission.
Put on a great aerobatic show.
Then intentionally plowed the plane into the ground away from the public.

Just goes to show you don't much experience to crash a plane into a target.

So his target was the ground vs 911 targets were buildings and you think that’s a good comparison?

The towers were 1000 foot tall, and 230 feet wide? The pentagon covers over 24 acres, is something like 70 foot tall, and the jet almost hit short of the pentagon?

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: samkent

Big difference between a 2 seater traveling at 150mph vs a fully loaded commercial airliner traveling at 3 times that speed. Sure I'll give you the towers... But what about the Pentagon? That's even less probable...

Not claiming to know the truth. But I do know this is a very weak comparison.

That little plane is the Q400 that has 76 seats and cruises at 414kts.... lol

originally posted by: subfab

originally posted by: Osirisvset
He was an aircraft mechanic so would probably have a pretty fair knowledge of what he was doing.

i understood that the guy was a ground crew worker. he mentions in the audio about his minimum wage job.

The median annual Aircraft Mechanic (Jet) salary in Seattle, WA is $92,224

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: JAY1980
a reply to: samkent

Big difference between a 2 seater traveling at 150mph vs a fully loaded commercial airliner traveling at 3 times that speed. Sure I'll give you the towers... But what about the Pentagon? That's even less probable...

Not claiming to know the truth. But I do know this is a very weak comparison.

That little plane is the Q400 that has 76 seats and cruises at 414kts.... lol

Same same only different eh?
Everyone gets in a twist when they don’t make more than anyone else on crew. Granted living cost is pretty high out there but around these parts that’s a damn good salary.

originally posted by: Osirisvset
He was an aircraft mechanic so would probably have a pretty fair knowledge of what he was doing.

I'm sure any pilot could jump in the hangar and fix airplane engines too.
Doing stunts in a twin engine plane with no experience?
Not a chance that was a non-pilot.

originally posted by: generik
and navigating to and hitting a specific small target like the 9-11 hijackers did.

I'd have thought that two thousand foot high skyscrapers on a clear day would be pretty easy to find and hit

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: Osirisvset
He was an aircraft mechanic so would probably have a pretty fair knowledge of what he was doing.

I'm sure any pilot could jump in the hangar and fix airplane engines too.
Doing stunts in a twin engine plane with no experience?
Not a chance that was a non-pilot.

No but it works a lot better in the flight mechanic to pilot direction.

originally posted by: subfab

originally posted by: Osirisvset
He was an aircraft mechanic so would probably have a pretty fair knowledge of what he was doing.

i understood that the guy was a ground crew worker. he mentions in the audio about his minimum wage job.

You are correct, he was a ground service agent, so not a mechanic.

Officials were quick to point out his work for Horizon as a ground service agent - which included working with baggage handlers and towing aircraft - meant he had cleared the background checks necessary to clean and maintain aircraft.

In a video posted on YouTube last December, Russell showed luggage coming on and off aircraft, as he described the life of a ground service agent. "That means I lift a lot of bags, like a lot of bags, so many bags," he said, before adding that also allowed him to travel widely.

Source

Per the evening news the bozo was a baggage handler not a mechanic so second question comes up, plane was a Turboprop how did the bozo started the engines ? is that procedure also on the simulators ? also if I'm not mistaken you steer those jets on the ground with a specific nose gear switch not the rudder.