Baby Boomers Going Bankrupt at Record Levels

a reply to: soberbacchus

shoulda planned better, spent less, not allowed the government to take more of their check to make big promises on taking care of them, should have acquired less debt and made sound financial choices

I don't care, I'm good who cares about them should have been smarter

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: seeker1963

Eat the old! Solve world hunger and overpopulation all at once. Everything tastes like chicken in the matrix anyways.

Seriously though, the system has been "crashing" for a while. Everyone not in the path of its collapse was content to shimmy to the side and keep on keeping.

Problem is, if the young are sounding the alarm about not being able to work or earn enough, and no one listens and nothing is done...then no one will be financing the retirement of the generation before them. So everyone fails together.

Eat the old? Tough, chewy, tasteless old people? As an old person my self I've learned that younger animals are tenderer and tastier. Maybe we baby-boomers should eat the young...sure would stretch my grocery budget.

you fail to realize you already are

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: soberbacchus


A very true statement here as I also believe the op has anger issues
with the elderly.
He could also be jerking our chains to see what kind of reaction he
can get.Our responses could be fueling his ego or his amusement.

Possible. I might not be "elderly" yet, but I have lived long enough to watch karma dole out some super-natural pain on people that find other people's struggles or suffering amusing.

My two principle reactions to folks like the OP are revulsion and sadness. Life straightens everyone out before we die and folks that are amused by elderly people's suffering have a special kind of reckoning in their future.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: soberbacchus

I don't care, I'm good who cares about them should have been smarter

Good luck to you.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Interesting you say that because I'm simply repeating the rhetoric and attitude of the older generations towards younger generations.

Why is it ok for everyone to have that attitude to college students but not ok to have the same exact attitude with even the same exact rhetoric for older generations?

Glad you brought it up, thanks.

watch karma dole out some super-natural pain

Forgot to add this, sure seems like that karma is already in action doesn't it? Bet there's more to come for everyone unless the general attitude in this country changes.

This is probably nothing compared to what may be coming down the pipe right now.

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: soberbacchus

Interesting you say that because I'm simply repeating the rhetoric and attitude of the older generations towards younger generations.

So it's a mommy/daddy issue OP.

Good luck to you.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: soberbacchus


A very true statement here as I also believe the op has anger issues
with the elderly.
He could also be jerking our chains to see what kind of reaction he
can get.Our responses could be fueling his ego or his amusement.

Possible. I might not be "elderly" yet, but I have lived long enough to watch karma dole out some super-natural pain on people that find other people's struggles or suffering amusing.

My two principle reactions to folks like the OP are revulsion and sadness. Life straightens everyone out before we die and folks that are amused by elderly people's suffering have a special kind of reckoning in their future.

Then the Boomers, by your logic here, are getting their super-natural karmic pain. Their own reckoning, by their own decades' worth of choices all coming to a head today.

It's really easy to see how TFA is making his points here. He's holding up the proverbial mirror. All the s# Boomers have said to younger folks, mocked them for experiencing, all right back at them in their own words & tones. If it sucks to hear somebody being a dick because of your unfortunate situations, perhaps the Boomers should exercise a little humility, admit they're in an equally bad place thanks to the same procession of garbage over the years, and knock off the crap.

Think of it this way. How many grown-ass retirees are having to move in with their kids now? The answer is "a lot".
If mom and dad shouldn't have to help the struggling middle-aged offspring, the struggling middle aged have no reason to help people who had many more decades to get things right, don't they? They don't need paid back for any parenting the first 18 years, who needs comped for doing what they're supposed to do after they drop their drawers and squeeze out kids?
If you're going to argue that it's a kid's duty to let mommy and daddy move on in after they squandered their savings or didn't save enough, and who would prefer to stay "retired" instead of getting back to work to get back on their independent, older feet, I'd like to remind you that's called "entitlement" as much as anything else is.

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: soberbacchus

Interesting you say that because I'm simply repeating the rhetoric and attitude of the older generations towards younger generations.

So it's a mommy/daddy issue OP.

Good luck to you.

awe, it's ok, I know it hurts when faced with your own logic in different forms

you can dress it up however you like

a reply to: Nyiah

it's more than just the boomers but it's easier to isolate the generational gaps and use them as models to deliver a puncline. this exact same perspective can be applied in other ways as well but I thought this was the most hard hitting, and obviously it was

glad a few of you get it, makes it worth the time

I could use reverse logic on the younger generations as well but I find them to be less vitriolic and I think this hits the hard line right wing narrative as well which i find as equally as disturbing as the recent uptick in calls for socialism

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Nyiah

it's more than just the boomers but it's easier to isolate the generational gaps and use them as models to deliver a puncline. this exact same perspective can be applied in other ways as well but I thought this was the most hard hitting, and obviously it was

glad a few of you get it, makes it worth the time

It is to a point. Some of the oldest Gen X'ers are getting on that boat here & there. Very few of the Silent Gen (the ones still around anyway) take that route. My grandmother thought it was crass and tasteless of the Boomers to think they're better than the kids & grandkids (she also firmly believed they're the snottiest & more entitled of the generations after her) My dad's also a Silent Gen, on the very youngest end of it, and feels the same way she did.

The post-war Generation of Plenty is pretty good at that "Let them eat cake" stuff, it's a shame they can't see themselves as they are. It's pretty embarrassing, honestly.

a reply to: Nyiah

Gen X seem to be pretty live and let live more so than any other Gen. The younger people do have somewhat of an entitlement attitudes but they also got screwed in the market and with the college tuition scam.

I'm the oldest of Mill's I was raised in the 80's and 90's and for the most everyone in my age group is a lot closer to the silent gen and are actually a lot more conservative/ strongly dislike the government.

I think what will cause more people to come around is when they face the harsh realities themselves

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Nyiah

Gen X seem to be pretty live and let live more so than any other Gen. The younger people do have somewhat of an entitlement attitudes but they also got screwed in the market and with the college tuition scam.

I'm the oldest of Mill's I was raised in the 80's and 90's and for the most everyone in my age group is a lot closer to the silent gen and are actually a lot more conservative/ strongly dislike the government.

I think what will cause more people to come around is when they face the harsh realities themselves

Regarding the entitlement attitude & work, I think we can boil the claims down to jealousy.

My husband (Gen X'er) and I (Mill) talked about this in the past, because he deals with the employees as much as he crunches numbers. He had a mini-epiphany about how what the older folks at his work claim is entitlement is what they themselves used to call "initiative". Except now taking the reigns on the clock to prove your idea or way is better than by the books is bad. Was it only something good to aim for when it was a new concept way back when?

Now that having a work/life balance, or employers working to mitigate stress on the job, is seen by employers as a good thing that benefits their bottom lines, it's a bad thing because your kids didn't have to bust asses to get it? To quote my husband's exact comment on that, "Sorry it took so long for employers to connect the dots the older folks laid out, but suck it up already."


Edit: Granted, this is just one "layer" of the entitlement onion out there, too. There are indeed some entitled youths, but they tend to be the offspring of the snottier (as my grandmother called them) Boomers/X'ers. You are what you're taught to be, nobody's born with that attitude.

I found this interesting video and thought I would share it here...

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a reply to: Nyiah

I could go on all day about this subject. No one is flawless and everyone is essentially in the same boat at the end of the day.

If the world around you is burning it doesn't matter how nice your house is.

a reply to: mamabeth

oh look we have an amazing example, love it thanks!

I would like to see some proof of how snotty and entitled boomers are.
I am a boomer and trust me I have never been treated as being special
or entitled.I have had to work hard for everything that I have in my life.

originally posted by: mamabeth
I would like to see some proof of how snotty and entitled boomers are.
I am a boomer and trust me I have never been treated as being special
or entitled.I have had to work hard for everything that I have in my life.

To be very honest, you're not the best customers to interact with. Back when I was cleaning hotel rooms and tending front desk, you were the worst customers, and that's saying a LOT because the French tourists weren't well-liked for a reason. The biggest complainers over nothing, the mouthiest snide comments, the crappiest holier-than-thou attitudes in general to the help, your demographic nailed it. The very elderly (70s/80s+) and the 30/40-somethings were the most pleasant, it's like mid-life is where you turn into general asses to people for the next few decades.

From the customer point of view, I find that attitude to still be prevalent in businesses where your demographic is clocked in. You're the surliest employees, the least eager to work, the most half-assed at getting something done. Everything is an imposition and you can't wait to leave. I don't see that particularly often from the young employees in the places we frequent, nor in the elderly employees (they just seem happy to be doing any kind of work at all)

Frankly, I think a lot of the complaints about younger generations are simply projections of your own "life sucks" attitudes eating at you.

All I have been seeing here in this thread is blaming an entire
generation.How about if you younger people would concentrate
more on solutions than bashing!

originally posted by: mamabeth
All I have been seeing here in this thread is blaming an entire generation.

I'm not at all surprised you didn't notice this, but I didn't use any generation group titles in my last post, I used age ranges. A subtle, but meaningful way to gauge attention to details.

As in, there seems to be general behavior patterns that crop up around certain milestone ages regardless of which generation you fall in to. Some age ranges come off as more surly & hostile than others do. Part of the aging process? Y'all tell me.

How about if you younger people would concentrate more on solutions than bashing!

Every time they try to come up with something meaningful & simple, the older folks scoff at them, make fun of the attempts and denigrate them as spoiled brats for the effort. I'd advise coming down off the retiree high horses a little, you might be able to see what people have been trying to do a little better closer up.

originally posted by: mamabeth
I would like to see some proof of how snotty and entitled boomers are.
I am a boomer and trust me I have never been treated as being special
or entitled.I have had to work hard for everything that I have in my life.

I am snotty, but not entitled. Well, if you include my pension, which my union negotiated to provide for us that I worked hard for, and my social security, which I worked hard for.

My almost 20 year old daughter is putting herself through college and working a job to do it.

So proud that my teachings stuck with that child.