Overtime work should be banned...

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: Groot

You actually nailed a point I ran out of character room in my post to make (I hit the limit, lol) Materialism drives a lot of people to go for that dual-income life. And for what? A bunch of stuff you can't take with you when you die.

They grind for the money to get stuff they don't truly need, whether they like the jobs or not, and that stress of grind, grind, grind, buy, buy, buy eats at them until all comes to a head & they drift apart, everything in the relationship goes past the pear-shaped point of no return, and they divorce.

Some people remarry & do it all over again, repeating the same patterns of mistakes. Others (like you) learn from it and figure out a better way to view living, more in line with how they actually think & feel, or a more compatible partner type to seek if they're really into the grinding (which I guess is still figuring out a better way of living, finding someone more compatible)

I discovered, against what I was ever taught, that being successful is not all the stuff you have, but the level of happiness and peace you can obtain. The ex took all the stuff, but I gained true love and happiness.

I believe I came out as the true winner.

originally posted by: Groot

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: Groot

You actually nailed a point I ran out of character room in my post to make (I hit the limit, lol) Materialism drives a lot of people to go for that dual-income life. And for what? A bunch of stuff you can't take with you when you die.

They grind for the money to get stuff they don't truly need, whether they like the jobs or not, and that stress of grind, grind, grind, buy, buy, buy eats at them until all comes to a head & they drift apart, everything in the relationship goes past the pear-shaped point of no return, and they divorce.

Some people remarry & do it all over again, repeating the same patterns of mistakes. Others (like you) learn from it and figure out a better way to view living, more in line with how they actually think & feel, or a more compatible partner type to seek if they're really into the grinding (which I guess is still figuring out a better way of living, finding someone more compatible)

I discovered, against what I was ever taught, that being successful is not all the stuff you have, but the level of happiness and peace you can obtain. The ex took all the stuff, but I gained true love and happiness.

I believe I came out as the true winner.

Yes indeed it is! It's about that elusive mental state of genuine contentment. Every person has their own version of it, we all chase after it. Many mistake contentment with material goods as their mental contentment (shopping addicts, hoarders, etc) Some mistake work without the payoff of it being a pleasure to do as a twisted kind of contentment (people unaware but trapped in bad jobs/job environments, etc) Some people will excuse toxic romantic relationships, and even toxic friendships, for content & fulfilling ones when they're not.

Those hoarders aren't going to get the same kind of pleasure out of their things as you or I do. People stuck in jobs they don't realize they hate aren't going to enjoy their work as much as others who do love it. People unaware they're feeding toxic relationships in a never-ending cycle aren't going to know what a stress-free relationship is really like.

All of what we chase after is part personal desire, part learned from others. So many people have no idea which part is actually from themselves versus what others lead them to believe/taught them.

All I can tell you for certain is people like my husband, restless folks who fidget in their chair if they have to sit for more than 5 minutes, the people who simply can't relax on a day off without a monstrous Honey-Do list to tackle or somewhere to go even if it's just taking the kids to the park to play, they exist knowing what makes them happy in life. Being busy is their thing in life, their goal until they kick the bucket. Doing nothing drives them absolutely apes#.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: olaru12

Hey you forgot the meal penalties too lol...it might suck at the time to press on without a full belly...but when the check comes its totally worth it!

And yes in the entertainment industry its pretty common to end up on a massive run...June and july for me was 58 days working some 10-11hrs a day and my 3 days off were not back to back.

Copy that brother!!

I'm above the line on this current show. Contracts and points but still sweet with some island locations and my lady on the same show.
God i love those residuals when I get a little SAG TV part.

I work overtime to give my wife and little girl the things they want....ban it, and i will be pissed.

I haven`t seen anyone mention the reason why companies like the one I work at-the improving economy has caused our orders to double overnight.When that happens it`s either lose business or overtime,it`ll last until we can hir more people and train them.And some will not last more than a few days.So I`m going to work my 6 12 hour days as much as I can till things slow down and then go on a vacation.Havent been able to afford one for 6 or 7 years till now.Guess you can blame salesmen for some overtime or Trump for getting the ecomomy fired up,lot of people will use anything to hate on him,lol.

I've worked 7 12's hanging iron for about 6 months.
Didn't have to work again for about a year.

Hope you never have to date someone in the medical field then..

originally posted by: crayzeed
There is only one rule you should live by and that's "WORK TO LIVE NOT LIVE TO WORK". When you've worked that out let me know.

What crazy communist thinking!

originally posted by: ridgerunner
I haven`t seen anyone mention the reason why companies like the one I work at-the improving economy has caused our orders to double overnight.When that happens it`s either lose business or overtime,it`ll last until we can hir more people and train them.And some will not last more than a few days.So I`m going to work my 6 12 hour days as much as I can till things slow down and then go on a vacation.Havent been able to afford one for 6 or 7 years till now.Guess you can blame salesmen for some overtime or Trump for getting the ecomomy fired up,lot of people will use anything to hate on him,lol.

Politics somehow got into this thread.. yuck

It is amazing how it gets everywhere, like sand. I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere

a reply to: olaru12
Oh you're in that profession. Who you know heh. The one where an up and coming actress gets asked "drop your knickers for me and I'll get you the million dollar part". Then 10 years down the line she remembers WHO "helped" her and forgets she agreed to it and frys the guy.
Is that the one.

originally posted by: Cabin
I have always been supportive of good work-life balance. Even the fact, that company needs somebody to work overtime, means mismanagement, setting unlikely deadlines etc. For me, work-life is extremely important. Personally, I have never worked more than 40 hours per week, usually 30-35, although currently I am having issues with my girlfriend. This whole summer, she has been working more than 60 hours per week and that is unacceptable for me. I have had to wait hours behind her office, because she told she would finish earlier. And I am getting tired of it... No company/job is worth sacrificing personal relationships, friends, family. Now she decided to even work on Saturday and I am waiting for her, so had some time to write this post. I have even asked her to quit, as my salary would easily cover both of our needs, although she wants "independence".

Overtime is something I personally am highly against. It is something that too often gives unfair advantage to people, who have "no lives". There is a huge difference, when a person has family, social life vs single somebody whose whole life goes around their work. In the end, the first person would have to sacrifice their personal life or the second person gets advantage. In the end, such choices lead to immense amount of divorces, loss of friendships and all this, because of a freakin job. No job is worth such sacrifice.

Another problem comes with the fact, that when one person is willing to work overtime and other is not, then the company pressurises the second to either work overtime or they will just find somebody who will. And there is always somebody desperate enough to take the job. Using people´s desperate situations, need for money to, to pressurise them sacrificing their health,personal relationships, family,is not right thing to do.

In the end, when one works overtime, this leads to loss of productivity due to tiredness. Long-term different health issues might come up, which might become extremely expensive etc etc. It becomes negative for the economy as a whole.

If a company needs its employees work overtime, this means the deadline have been set too tight, that is managements problem not employees. If a contract says its 40, then its 40. I remember, couple of years ago, France enacted a ban on overtime in certain sectors. I wish my country would do the same. There is work and there is personal life.

Sorry for the mistakes, waiting at the taxi for my girlfriend right now and had some time to kill. If that behaviour continues in her, I think seriously calling it quits with her soon.

Honestly, and if i were to do the same, i would do because of trying to escape from something by focusing on the job. I don't know and could never tell you life situation and how you get along together and all that but i can say that i have done and seen people do similar when trying to run away from something you don't want to live, maybe you should ask her about this but it may open bad doors

If it's just desire to work like crazy i remember hearing the 'workaholic" word for that, but i don't know how it would apply. She also may be trying to save money for something and she can't say?

a reply to: DieGloke
Nah, educate yourself. Communist thinking is work, work, work, don't think. Or is that capitalist thinking?

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: DieGloke
Nah, educate yourself. Communist thinking is work, work, work, don't think. Or is that capitalist thinking?

You may mean socialism, where people also select how things would work in their dreams and then who ever they chose to guide them to freedom and richness turns around and creates a communist state where everyone does as told or else

a reply to: Cabin

40 hours a week

I work like 60-80 a week 6 days and trust me I'm broker than broke all the time.

It's a living

People work this much to get away from their home life...there's your clue dude!

a reply to: an325nt

I assumed that 30-35 hrs = part time work, which is what that is considered from my neck of the woods, knowledge workers not included in that. His profession is not specified.

I'm at the director level, know and value the balance of work vs personal time. I encourage all my direct report managers to balance these and not give too much to work. I'd rather have them for 40hrs a week, super sharp than 60hrs a week burnt out.

People first always makes companies perform better if that's properly balanced. Where I work now OT is optional but we are open on holidays and pay triple time for those days and this is even optional, we always have enough takers to open branches with minimum staff.

Working 4 -10's and 2-8's right now . My uncle Sam is making some good money too. Its a union job and we can't make them work over time. All we can do is let them know its available .

Everything should be free.

Just to clarify, the problem does not lie in the fact that she wants to work due to relationship problems or she is cheating. She is hoping for a promotion this year and the opposing people are also putting in enormous hours. She hates it but its her choice to choose work at this point I know for sure, she spends the extra time at the at the office, as I usually pick her up, just she is late. Everything is very good in the relationship except and I see how much it weighs on her that she has to work so mucj. When we agree that I come by 6, she commonly comes out at 7 or 8 due to extra work she puts into.

a reply to: SpartanStoic

a reply to: scojak

a reply to: SpartanStoic

I would not say I am not making a career at such hours. I manage a team at an engineering company.

The salary is roughly 200-250k in US terms. A bit over 4 average wages of the country. + 42 days of paid leave per year Usually its about 3 months, as I travel and work from "home'".

I can manage to work 30-35 hours a week as I work smart. The company does not care the hours I put in, as long I get my job done. I can get it done in the hours I specified. Im lucky I found such company. I hate companies, where one is expected to stay whole office hours, even when their work is done.

a reply to: Bone75

I have a car... I had had a few beers during the lunch with a friend, so took a taxi.