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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Kharron
this hust in: China just chased out US planes out of the south china seas... the 2nd biggest cargo trade hub in the world...
coincidence
murka
Chinese forces deployed to the hotly contested South China Sea ordered a US Navy reconnaissance aircraft to "leave immediately" six times Friday, but the pilot stayed the course, refusing to back down.
originally posted by: SpartanStoic
a reply to: Jay-morris
I agree it has become very cult like and definitely do not share anything remotely like their beliefs.
However the claims of organ harvesting have been around for a long time. Zhou Yongkang fallen security chief is rumored to have been in charge of that and was in danger of losing money from the practice stopping when Xi came to power. The story goes that he was involved with Bo Xilai in the coup/assassination attempt on Xi.
I do believe the CCP is quite capable of doing this and probably is engaged in organ harvesting from Falun Gong and criminals.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
... but seen no evidence that they kill people in prison for their organs.
The reality of human organ harvesting in China PEOPLE are secretly executed or sedated on a surgeon’s table as their organs are removed one by one.
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: Jay-morris
... but seen no evidence that they kill people in prison for their organs.
The problem with a closed and repressive state like China is that news often never sees the light of day. However, here's something to help understand the revolting behaviour of the Chinese authorities.
The reality of human organ harvesting in China PEOPLE are secretly executed or sedated on a surgeon’s table as their organs are removed one by one.
Source
And on Falun Gong. The size of the following and the lack of control of the movement was the only reason the Chinese authorities brutally repressed the movement and criminalised it. The Chinese do this with any organisation they don't control and we can see this being played out in the abuse against the Muslims in China and the treatment of Christians and other minorities.
originally posted by: weirdguy
I think putting Islamists in re-education camps so they one day assimilate into the general population is a fantastic idea. 👍🙂
originally posted by: Ohanka
I will say I don't like it but at the end of the day it is none of my concern.
People should not be imprisoned based on religious or ethnic grounds. I would oppose any such laws that were being proposed in my country come hell or high water. However I also believe that sovereign nations have full right to do whatever they wish within their own borders without interference from the Imperialist Western World.
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: Ohanka
I will say I don't like it but at the end of the day it is none of my concern.
People should not be imprisoned based on religious or ethnic grounds. I would oppose any such laws that were being proposed in my country come hell or high water. However I also believe that sovereign nations have full right to do whatever they wish within their own borders without interference from the Imperialist Western World.
So believing China needs to treat its citizens like humans and you want to call the west imperialists because of it? Well don't worry the west refused to do anything. Back in march of 2018 China made this statement about human rights. The only country to vote no was the US so its not the west opposing China. The US eventually drops out of the human rights commission because of China think that was june.
United States made a smart move China was using the US to legitimize their actions through the human rights council.
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Jay-morris
I think history teaches us not saying something leads to genocide. So trying to point our hypocrisy I'd argue causes people to die. No country on the planet has a perfect record but some are a lot closer than others to a perfect record.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
Nothing really to do with a closed and repressive state.
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Jay-morris
Saudi Arabia buys weapons from all country's from Russia,India,pakistan, China, United States and countries in Europe such as France. This happens when you have billions to spend do to oil sales. If any of these countrys opted out on a sale someone else would just step in and sell them what they want. So your blame just shows a lack of understanding of the world.
Now i have never seen the west take a country unless you consider Russia part of the west. They invaded Georgia and Ukraine. I could almost say Russia is a western country though they are usually considered asian. The west tends to start conflict's however they never take over country's. If they did it would solve a lot of problems. If you just take over a country within a year peace returns to the area. Look at Russia and Georgia they went back and forth than eventually they just claim it and the fighting stopped.
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Jay-morris
And that brings me back to my original point. Not saying anything leads to millions dying. The west at times makes mistakes but the largest mistakes have always been ignoring genocides. If you have the power to do something and choose not to your just as responsible as the person carrying out the act.
The west isnt perfect but realize its the west that actively fought slavery abolishing it in most of the world. The west helps educate people and provides assistance to hundreds of countries throughout the globe. Without the west I'd go as far as saying millions would be dead from starvation or lack of military support. In Africa western militaries help them protect themselves from other country's.
In the middle east without the western countries the middle east would have started world war 3 by now. The policy of containment has worked. Every time the middle east was about to erupt in to a world war troops were sent to localize the conflict. Iraq was to prevent Saddam from igniting the middle east for example. It moved it from involving 8 middle east countries to only 1.