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Debunking the SJW myth Constitutionalists=White Supremacists

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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: Jefferton
Maybe someday we will all grow up and stop defining each other as Nazi's and SJW's.

Maybe someday.



Ummm...I certainly can't argue with that sentiment...I hate this labeling bullfeces...it's inherently non generic...and...non specific at the same time...like trying to cram dichotomies into a one size fits all...

I'm liking this...this is the third time in the last week that I've agreed with your stance...and we're usually polar opposites...

Bridges being built all over the durn place...

Me likey...





Yousir




posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Jefferton
Maybe someday we will all grow up and stop defining each other as Nazi's and SJW's.

Maybe someday.



Ummm...I certainly can't argue with that sentiment...I hate this labeling bullfeces...it's inherently non generic...and...non specific at the same time...like trying to cram dichotomies into a one size fits all...

I'm liking this...this is the third time in the last week that I've agreed with your stance...and we're usually polar opposites...

Bridges being built all over the durn place...

Me likey...





Yousir

I can be very level headed when I'm sober.

Shame that doesn't happen often.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal

Many of these white supremacists want to violently overthrow everything including the Constitution and establish a Fascist Dictatorship.


Strange too is the fact that 20th Century Fascists killed 40 million White people.

Especially in Europe.

💥😲💥



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 12:54 PM
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There's a big difference between an actual Constitutionalist and the people you find online screaming about how the country needs to follow the constitution to the letter, but not doing that themselves. The easiest comparison to make is religion. A lot of Christians do the exact opposite of what Christianity says they should do. Same with Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, et al.
True Constitutionalists are not white supremacists, because they have opposing beliefs. Online (and real life) trolls can easily be white supremacists and "consitutionalists", because in reality, they don't follow the constitution, they pick and choose the parts they like.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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The Nazi's should thank Constitutionalists like myself for defending their 1st Amendment right to freely assemble.
Funny. Nazi groups like this don't like people like me, and leftist groups think I'm a Nazi for defending the rights of anyone to speak freely.


Hoo boy, do I hear you! I agree with Voltaire, defending the right to speak your mind (and peaceably to assemble), regardless of how disagreeable I may find it.

Far right, far left, it's all a circle that meets on the far side of ideology from us. They have so much more in common than they want to admit.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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I'm a Constitutionalist, but I've never been called a White Supremacist. Far from it.

I view the Constitution as the document that truly makes us a great country and affords the life and privileges to all humans who reside or visit here. And I stand up for it when governments try to walk all over it, regardless of what they say or what they wrap their agenda in.

Administrations often wrap those agendas in a flag and try to pass it off as good work, sometimes even making it appear they are abiding by the Constitution, but our job as critical thinking Americans is to see through this charade, and stand up for our country and that which has made us great for centuries.

As such, a Constitutionalist, I have nothing to do with race, any race... except to defend any race or creed if under assault.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Great post


Of course they will do whatever they can to tear down our Constitution (and remove our privately owned firearms). Those two things ensure we'll never have a socialist/etc (ie: non-Republican) government. -->Of course by Republican government I refer to the term as used in Article 4 Section 4 US Constitution, not the GOP political party


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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Kharron

Glad to hear it!

So you of course have a problem with the 1934 and 1986 infringement on the Second Amendment? They are out of date laws designed to prevent poaching during the great depression, and as an overreaction to relatively minor amounts of organized crime violence.

...because military grade automatic weapons are the only true insurance against government overreach and tyranny (which could threaten the entire BOR/Constitution)

In any case, it seems I misread you entirely. Looks like I owe you an apology, patriot.


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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Jilara


Far right, far left, it's all a circle that meets on the far side of ideology from us. They have so much more in common than they want to admit.


Spot on Jilara


Would be nice to see both parties compared using a Ven Diagram



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: narrator


because they have opposing beliefs. Online (and real life) trolls can easily be white supremacists and "consitutionalists", because in reality, they don't follow the constitution, they pick and choose the parts they like.


Unfortunately this is why I argue in support of their rights. I don't like seeing neo-confederates marching with torches, nor do I like listening to some neo-nazi drone on about their "master race" nonsense. But it is their right to express those views, no matter how idiotic, backwards or contradictory those views are (and they are)- as long as they aren't violent or infringing on the rights of anyone else



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

I've always stood up for the Constitution, and have always defended the 2nd Amendment, in entirety. My posting history will reflect that.

I know you may not believe that because I stand against this current admin that you support, but that is because I believe they are an assault on the Constitution, as is evidenced by numerous reversals of their policies in federal courts. Had they not tried to attack our Constitution on so many occasions I would just sit back and wait out the period until the next election -- but when they start tearing down that which makes us great, it's time to stand up.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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military grade automatic weapons are the only true insurance against government overreach and tyranny (which could threaten the entire BOR/Constitution)


Ooh, can we get missile launchers!

Seriously, though, that's what you're talking, realistically. At some point, if it comes to that, they just obliterate the neighborhood. Maybe I have a realistic outlook, in that a onetime boyfriend talked about being pinned down by snipers at an airfield in some hot desert place (if you catch my drift), so he just called up an air strike on the rocks providing cover. Not a problem any more.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal


Many SJWs call Constitutionalists white supremacists/Nazis. The reality is White supremacists hate Constitutionalists.


Sounds like your whole premise for this thread is imagined persecution by straw man.


Many of these white supremacists want to violently overthrow everything including the Constitution and establish a Fascist Dictatorship.


Yep. Many of them are literal fascists. This is common knowledge.

Now I'm wondering if maybe you're a little confused about some other things. You acknowledge that many neo-Nazis and white supremacists are in fact fascists. You also seem to believe that many "constitutionalists" are being misidentified as neo-Nazis/white supremacists/white nationalists.

Have you considered the possibility that some of the people you believe are wrongly accused of being neo-Nazis/WS/WN are in fact actually these things? I say this because there has been a deliberate effort, particularly on the West Coast, to disguise some of these groups as something other than what they really are.

A lot of people watch YouTube videos of what are identified as "based patriots" and "Trump supporters" who are in actuality neo-Nazis/WS/WN/etc. Then they get all pissed off that some "innocent Trump supporter" was "attacked by Antifa" and end up cheering straight up neo-Nazis in these LARPer street fights because they're completely unaware.

Let me give you an example:



I had to pick this one because a lot of them were flagged for content or the titles contained profanity. Videos from this were uploaded by among others, Red Elephants (run by a guy named Vincent James) and Mark F (part of Latinos With Trump). They all describe this as "Trump supporters" beating up some Antifa protesters.

Now watch that video closely. At 00:37, you'll see in frame Vincent James (red "Keep Calm Blame Russia" shirt and red, white and blue cap). Look over his head. See that sign? It says "Da Goyim Know." The guy holding it is a literal neo-Nazi from a group called R.A.M. and in fact, he's there with several members of the group. In front, the short Latino woman with the MAGA hat is Irma Hinojosa (also of Latinos With Trump and a friend of Jack Posobiec, Baked Alaska, Mike Cernovich, etc). Her boyfriend is one Juan "Johnny Benitez" Cadavid.

Go to 2:00 minutes in the video. Clips and images of this fight are often presented as a "Trump supporter" giving an Antifa protester what he deserves. That guy in the gray and black shirt is a literal neo-Nazi.

Now take a look at this report by ProPublica: Racist, Violent, Unpunished: A White Hate Group’s Campaign of Menace

or if you're not big on reading, here's an embedded video from the article:



The authors do a good job of detailing much about R.A.M., whose members are frequently seen in the middle of all these violent brawls up and down California, in Portland, etc and also were in attendance at Charlottesville. They even do a good job of connecting Vincent James with R.A.M. What they missed however is the ties to Irma and Juan.

Here are Juan and Irma with R.A.M.:



You'll notice Juan in his black and yellow Fred Perry polo. That picture was from when he was still a Proud Boy, before he got to hot because of his frequent association with neo-Nazis and was booted.

Here's some more pictures of Juan with R.A.M (formerly known as DIY Division):



Then you have Irma and Juan pretending like they're being unfairly associated with neo-Nazis as they travel around getting chased out of parks by people shouting "go home Nazis." I actually confronted them both on Twitter and before deleting the tweets and blocking me, Irma started out with "I can't be a neo-Nazi, I'm a Latina" before finally saying, she'd rather be friends with neo-Nazis then "commies" and that she's loyal to her neo-Nazi friends because they have her back. It's a little more complicated than that (there are in fact Hispanic neo-Nazis, and then you've got people like Juan who identifies as "Iberian" and therefore "white").

But yeah, these same people show up time and time again. Here's a R.A.M. neo-Nazi Robert Boman with Patriot Prayer's Joey Gibson:



Here's R.A.M. members with Identity Evropa's (a WN group) Nathan Damigo and Proud Boy Kyle "Based Stickman" Chapman fighting together at Berkeley:



Speaking of which. You remember "bike lock guy?" The guy he hit at Berkeley was Sean Stiles. He was made out to be just some "Trump supporter" victim. I'm sure you remember this picture:



What you don't know is that he was there with and fighting alongside literal neo-Nazis (R.A.M. and the one dude is both R.A.M and ex-Hammerskin)




Anyway, there's some truth for you to do with what you will. A lot what you might perceive as "Trump supporters" and "constitutionalists" being unfairly called "Nazis" is actually not what you think it is. The reality is that in many cases, literal neo-Nazis and their close associates are deliberately misidentified (in YouTube videos, on Twitter, in their statements to the press, etc) to push a narrative.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


For real. I tell people we can all have crazy ideas and beliefs, if we acted like responsible adults with them. Unfortunately...




posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




Funny. Nazi groups like this don't like people like me, and leftist groups think I'm a Nazi for defending the rights of anyone to speak freely.


Yep. Stubborn devotion to the ideas of people that came before them.
It can lead to these kinds of actions if you don't think for yourself.

The left thinks the right is full of humanity hating nazis. They are wrong.

The right thinks the left is full of anti-constitutionals. They are wrong.

We need to start seeing each other as individuals and not just as a member of a party.

Because most americans love our constitution and don't want to see it messed with.

We should be talking about the things we all want. Like getting rid of the patriot act.

Bringing our government back to a more constitutional balance. The checks that each branch of government has over one another have become imbalanced.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: Gravelbone

Personally I enjoy the melting pot aspect of this country.

All my life I have found joy in getting to know strangers with different backgrounds.

If I didn't live in a country that was free and full of all kinds of unique people living their lives in their own way.
It would severely take away from my level of happiness.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal




Then what do you me to call them?


Get to know them as individuals and call them by their names?

Crazy I know.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: starwarsisreal

The Nazi's should thank Constitutionalists like myself for defending their 1st Amendment right to freely assemble.

Funny. Nazi groups like this don't like people like me, and leftist groups think I'm a Nazi for defending the rights of anyone to speak freely.


"Clowns to the left of me,
jokers to the right,
here I am,
stuck in the middle with you!"


Oh man. This comment right here needs to be framed on ATS. Everyone needs to read this and fully understand what you're saying. Thank you for this DB.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

It is great having you here on ats with us.
edit on 10-8-2018 by scraedtosleep because: spelling, always spelling.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: starwarsisreal


Many of these white supremacists want to violently overthrow everything including the Constitution and establish a Fascist Dictatorship.


Anyone surprised that someone willing to wear a swastika would have that sentiment?


Seems I heard something close to that not long ago........




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