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US judge halts deportation, threatens Sessions with contempt

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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

Not deflecting, and you answered my question....why SHOULDN'T we be like Mexico and Canada? Sounds like Mexico and Canada are practising common sense in this particular case.

What exactil is the truth of the matter? You and that other person want open borders. Just let anyone in...

And why not go to the US embassy for the gazilionth time????????




posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined





Even if she was given a hearing, I seriously doubt that she would have met the definition of the law based on the following...


You have no idea what her personal circumstances, that led her to flee with her young daughter, were.


In this particular case, our client was persecuted by members of Mara-18, a criminal gang heavily present in El Salvador. Gang members were forcing our client to abandon her Christian beliefs, her church, and her pastor who preached against gangs, threatening to kill her if she refused. Attorneys at I.S. law Firm successfully showed that while the goal of our client’s persecutors was to force her to participate in gang activities, they were doing so by trying to overcome our client’s religious convictions and by trying to distance her from her church, which was also opposed to gangs’ criminal activities. We demonstrated that gang members actively sought to punish our client for her strong Christian beliefs, which prevented her from participating in gang activities. We also showed that the government of El Salvador was unable or unwilling to control the gangs, as evidenced by the fact that police did not provide any protection to our client. Therefore, our lawyers proved that our client suffered past persecution in El Salvador.

As required for all asylum cases, attorneys at I.S. Law Firm also demonstrated that our client had a well-founded fear of persecution if she was forced to return to her home country, evidenced by the fact that the situation with gang violence in El Salvador has not improved. In fact, objective evidence such as U.S. Department of State and Amnesty International reports indicates that gang killings, gang rape, sexual exploitation of female gang recruits, and other crimes against women and girls are widespread and on the rise in El Salvador. Gangs including Mara-18, also known as 18th Street Gang or M18, and Mara Salvatrucha, also known as MS, Mara, and MS-13, have continued their brutal activities, while Salvadoran authorities have remained ineffective and unsupportive toward victims of gang crimes.
www.islawfirm.com...


Here, educate yourself some more!


Central Americans flee homes in record numbers: 'The level of violence is brutal'
UNHCR counts 294,000 asylum seekers and refugees in 2017
Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala the main source countries

www.theguardian.com...


You present this long quote about gang violence as if it presents details of the current case. Actually, it has nothing to do with it and you misrepresent the facts for your own reasons. Her petition for asylum is based upon domestic violence not gangs. Details are offered in this 2:20 video from CBS.


educate yourself



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined

lol backatcha

I still think you are incorrect. I think all she has too prove is that she was in serious danger there. If she tells lies then she should be punished FULLY.

However your point about the cops there is moot because we have givin monies to help there police cause we viewed them as inadequate. That and nikki haley has recently been on record citing the inadequacy of their ability to deal with the situation. I agree with you that she may be toats lying but i do not think tha judge took that in to account but focused more on other points.

He also should be held accountable if that proves to be tha case he will get tha ole wet noodle.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:29 PM
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If this is about domestic violence as in spousal abuse or problems with tha family then the judge needs to be removed immediately. Quick someone give jeff his balls back and let us get this party started.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: howtonhawky

Not deflecting, and you answered my question....why SHOULDN'T we be like Mexico and Canada? Sounds like Mexico and Canada are practising common sense in this particular case.

What exactil is the truth of the matter? You and that other person want open borders. Just let anyone in...

And why not go to the US embassy for the gazilionth time????????


Again someone misrepresents my point. I do not want open borders as in anyone can come in. You can erase that from your mind.

I want a system where anyone that wants to come here and hold down a job should be free to do so as long as they work steady,do not vote or take any gov. handouts. That would be after they pass a quick back ground check. I am not even against a work requirement to stay. The only handout the gov. should ever give them is a ticket back if they want it or need it.

That would be toats separate from the line to become a citizen.

If that was the case then we could enforce the open parts of our border more aggressively cause we would know those are people coming in that want to live on the underside of life here.

That is not an open border.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined





Even if she was given a hearing, I seriously doubt that she would have met the definition of the law based on the following...


You have no idea what her personal circumstances, that led her to flee with her young daughter, were.


In this particular case, our client was persecuted by members of Mara-18, a criminal gang heavily present in El Salvador. Gang members were forcing our client to abandon her Christian beliefs, her church, and her pastor who preached against gangs, threatening to kill her if she refused. Attorneys at I.S. law Firm successfully showed that while the goal of our client’s persecutors was to force her to participate in gang activities, they were doing so by trying to overcome our client’s religious convictions and by trying to distance her from her church, which was also opposed to gangs’ criminal activities. We demonstrated that gang members actively sought to punish our client for her strong Christian beliefs, which prevented her from participating in gang activities. We also showed that the government of El Salvador was unable or unwilling to control the gangs, as evidenced by the fact that police did not provide any protection to our client. Therefore, our lawyers proved that our client suffered past persecution in El Salvador.

As required for all asylum cases, attorneys at I.S. Law Firm also demonstrated that our client had a well-founded fear of persecution if she was forced to return to her home country, evidenced by the fact that the situation with gang violence in El Salvador has not improved. In fact, objective evidence such as U.S. Department of State and Amnesty International reports indicates that gang killings, gang rape, sexual exploitation of female gang recruits, and other crimes against women and girls are widespread and on the rise in El Salvador. Gangs including Mara-18, also known as 18th Street Gang or M18, and Mara Salvatrucha, also known as MS, Mara, and MS-13, have continued their brutal activities, while Salvadoran authorities have remained ineffective and unsupportive toward victims of gang crimes.
www.islawfirm.com...


Here, educate yourself some more!


Central Americans flee homes in record numbers: 'The level of violence is brutal'
UNHCR counts 294,000 asylum seekers and refugees in 2017
Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala the main source countries

www.theguardian.com...


You present this long quote about gang violence as if it presents details of the current case. Actually, it has nothing to do with it and you misrepresent the facts for your own reasons. Her petition for asylum is based upon domestic violence not gangs. Details are offered in this 2:20 video from CBS.


educate yourself


Obviously, it's not HER case. This particular women has been denied a hearing and is being represented by the ACLU, not IS Law Firm. It was an example, for Determined, of gang violence and the inability of El Salvador's government to protect citizens as evidence for asylum qualifications being proven.

Those are facts, they are not misrepresentatiions of asylum claims from El Salvador. So YOU< go educate yourself and DENY IGNORANCE!



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Deetermined




In the meanwhile, I know American missionaries currently living both in Honduras and El Salvador pushing Christianity and I'm not hearing about any persecution or a need for them to return to the U.S..



Jill Duggar has escaped the media storm surrounding her brother's sexual abuse scandal and the cancelling of her family's TV show - only to find herself on the front line of Central America's deadliest gang war.
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However despite their upbeat message, Daily Mail Online can reveal the young family are living under armed guard in a remote jungle region plagued by gang violence, drugs and lawlessness.
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The nearest town selling diapers and baby food was the scene of six bloody slayings over the space of three days in June - and even taxi drivers and tour guides refuse to go there.
The violence is grimly typical of El Salvador where the spiraling murder rate now rivals that of war-torn Iraq - with nearly 700 killings recorded nationwide last month
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Military guards patrol the entrance with semi-automatic rifles and accompany the group in buses and trucks when they venture out to visit churches and orphanages to 'present and share the gospel of Christ'.

www.dailymail.co.uk... jungle-region-plagued-gang-violence-drugs-lawlessness.html


Sounds really peaceful!

More: thehill.com...



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
The illegals are criminals. That’s the law

Leftist judges who hold politics above the law need to be replaced

Common trump, say the words...’You’re fired’




Appointed by Ronald Reagan, and then by H.W Bush and then finally in place by Chief Justice Roberts -- all conservatives.

You do zero research before you speak, don't you?


Need deeper research to verify, sometimes conservatives throw a nugget to the left to open them up for bargaining on future conservative judges.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Kharron


Can we now talk about the corruption in the DoJ and HS and the White House and the obvious agenda to remove as many people as possible, even if it goes against our own laws? Our law matters when we want it to and doesn't when it clashes with agendas? 


Why are you asking me what laws?

And what right do illegals have to sue our government? Get the he'll out if you dont like the way we run things. You can do that or become a citizen and work to change the laws the right way like the rest of us have to.



Oh so you really don't know, my bad, I'll answer your question.

The Constitution of the United States, that law is one of the main ones they are breaking. But that should come as no surprise. You see, the Constitution applies to all humans that are in our territory. The Constitution makes it pretty clear when it writes that it applies to all "persons" or "people" and not just "citizens". That means that any person on our land has the rights and privileges that the Constitution grants. This has been upheld by the Supreme Court and is axiomatic in the law.

The Fifth Amendment then says that "no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." This means that if someone seeks justice in our court of law and files a lawsuit in our courts, they are Constitutionally protected.

Hope that helps. Next time, please let me know if you're really looking for information, your tone is very confrontational -- I thought you were just trolling. Anyone genuinely looking for information, I have no problem helping.



yet there were slaves, and the children of slaves after the constitution so it did not apply to all in our territory.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Vector99


I'd bet money that she won't be returned, and the judges threats will be empty threats, or threats with no legs to back them.

She is being returned according to the original linked article. It states she never debarked the plane in El Salvador.

However, this demonstrates clearly why the interpretations of the Constitution that are wielded so often are improper. They create a paradox. The proper interpretation is that "citizen" refers to those who are legal citizens, "person" applies to any human legally present within the United States, and none of it applies to someone who illegally crossed the border.

If it did, if "person" applied to someone who crossed the border illegally, then there can be no immigration law. It is simply too easy to find someone who supports illegal immigration to file suit for them, as this woman did. If they then cannot be deported until after the lawsuit, we're going to need a lot more judges... as in magnitudes more. Anyone who crosses that border has the physical ability to ask for asylum, so some measure of weeding out the obvious liars must be in place or again, there is no immigration law.

Without some sort of limit on immigration, the border functions as a one-way valve. Anyone wandering across the border into Mexico will likely be shot on sight. If they are lucky, they will spend the next few years in a Mexican jail because in Mexico, illegal entry is a felony. Since we already know from empirical data that a large percentage of illegal border crossings are criminals looking for a new place to commit crimes, and we can reasonably state that the remainder are poor, which indicate no job skills, that spells doom for the US economy. No country has unlimited resources, but the potential influx is practically unlimited.

So we have a choice to make: we either use a little common sense in reading the laws and establish some reasonable border control that actually works, or we resign ourselves to living in a third-world country. I have personally made my decision. I want the United States to be a sovereign country that allows for legal immigration and naturalization according to our laws.

I will also say I am very disappointed to hear that Sessions backed down. He is losing my respect more every day.

TheRedneck


It is worse than that, far far worse. The left is also pro socialist moves a la venezuela, and that does not mention that the global energy growth trend is pushing its limits.

There are ample resources, but energy production cannot continue to grow indefinitely year on year, signs points to significant growth not being possible in the coming decades. All real economic growth is dependent on increased energy production, as each step necessitates energy by physical law. Without growth a global economy based on debt, is in for real turmoil.

While the economy might falter, we also have the uncertainties of how climate change will affect crops worldwide. Any significant disruption in economic activity or food production could very easily plunge the world into chaos.

Now picture in a crisis, that may very well develop in the near future, do millions of illiterate no skill individuals present a blessing or a threat?



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

You are fake news!



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Deetermined

The day we stop being "hard asses" on illegal immigration is the day we lose our sovereignty and national security.

Lol. No it isn't. Immigrants are some of the hardest working people and are statistically less likely to commit crimes than the native born population. This includes illegals too.


Say that to MS13, or how about what happened in cologne? Or how about the european stats of illegal immigrants having like 80-90% unemployment after 4 years remaining unemployed?



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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According to their lawsuit, Carmen and her young daughter came to the US from El Salvador after "two decades of horrific sexual abuse by her husband and death threats from a violent gang." Even after Carmen moved away from her husband, he raped her, stalked her and threatened to kill her, the lawsuit states. Further, a gang held her at gunpoint in May and demanded she pay a monthly "tax" or they would kill her and her daughter. Carmen knew of people killed by their husbands after going to police and by this gang and thus fled to the US


www.cnn.com...

Seems bad if true but i do wonder if the usa is the only option for her. Obviously the threat of being held by a gang can not be verified and ex husband could be dealt with if there were police protection in place.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
The illegals are criminals. That’s the law

Leftist judges who hold politics above the law need to be replaced

Common trump, say the words...’You’re fired’




You do not know under what circumstances they were detained or if they have committed any crime worth punishment.

Your statement was ignorant at best.

Letting them in if they have no criminal is no different than letting you or i go for something like not wearing a seat belt.


These liberals are so full of S#*T with their hypocrisy. Take in the homeless en masse why don't you? Oh people have been stabbed to death for taking in random homeless? Oh but you want random homeless who don't speak english from god knows where to move en masse into our neighborhoods! And buying any sob story as if it were true.

To top the cherry, there are white farmers likely facing genocide in south africa which are being denied asylum, yet you want us to take any random economic migrant enticed by the rich welfare T*T you've put as a carrot to attract them. How many die en route or are raped because of your welfare T*T sanctuary policies, and open border policies?

Real blood, is on the hands of many a liberal for promoting such.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

www.abovetopsecret.com...

top of this page i addressed that with my opinion.

Also look to the u.n. and how they classify these different countries you speak of.

I have heard that even with all the internet out rage the situation in s.a. is not yet at levels that require action by other governments. According to the numbers things are not so bad there. I am not sure if i agree with that but it is what i have been reading.

Now if only those taking farms in sa would use some bleach and toilet cleaner then we would bomb the # out of them.

I do not make the rules.

The last i checked i am not a libral as in progressive or any of the sort and neither is our ambassador to the un.
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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: howtonhawky

Not deflecting, and you answered my question....why SHOULDN'T we be like Mexico and Canada? Sounds like Mexico and Canada are practising common sense in this particular case.

What exactil is the truth of the matter? You and that other person want open borders. Just let anyone in...

And why not go to the US embassy for the gazilionth time????????


Again someone misrepresents my point. I do not want open borders as in anyone can come in. You can erase that from your mind.

I want a system where anyone that wants to come here and hold down a job should be free to do so as long as they work steady,do not vote or take any gov. handouts. That would be after they pass a quick back ground check. I am not even against a work requirement to stay. The only handout the gov. should ever give them is a ticket back if they want it or need it.

That would be toats separate from the line to become a citizen.

If that was the case then we could enforce the open parts of our border more aggressively cause we would know those are people coming in that want to live on the underside of life here.

That is not an open border.


Sorry but we have limited resources, and limited jobs. Adding more workers only comes at the expense of other workers by increasing competition, increasing supply of workers, and depressing wages. And in the end there is only so much need we have for low skill labour which will soon be automated and make them a drain on welfare. Even low skill employment like walmart, the rumor is they provide guidance on requesting food stamps as their salary is insufficient supposedly, subsidized by tax dollars as is much of low skill labour taken by poor immigrants.

IF you want charity, go become a missionary. Do not put the american public on the dole. We can take in some people, yes. Preferably the brightest and most skilled, to make a better nation, and in limited numbers so they integrate into our culture and do not become segregated groups with a competing foreign culture.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 04:13 PM
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I wasn't asked to present facts about this woman's particular case. I was challenged by the suggestion that gang and domestic violence in El Salvador are very hard to prove. As I've shown, that's not true. Facts are facts, and most people claiming "fake news" are just unhappy with the facts. SAD.



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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

jobs jobs jobs

if they want to work and someone wants to give them a job then they should be free to do just that.

now you sound a little socialist with the post you just made.

it is called freedom and i am not opposed for employers that would hire them to bear responsibility for them.

also there is the case that the brightest as you put it would be much more of a threat to us than someone just here for labor.
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posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 04:18 PM
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These liberal judges are dangerous to the country.

Its takes a tough leader to sometimes make tough and inhumane decisions in order to protect his country and citizens.

If a boat was sinking. Liberals would try and save everyone and sink the life raft eventually killing everyone one

Ms13 laughs at liberals who call for open borders
And respect conservatives for defending their country.



posted on Aug, 10 2018 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: Fake News
a reply to: toms54


I wasn't asked to present facts about this woman's particular case. I was challenged by the suggestion that gang and domestic violence in El Salvador are very hard to prove. As I've shown, that's not true. Facts are facts, and most people claiming "fake news" are just unhappy with the facts. SAD.


Sorry. I take it back. You are very fake news.




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