Muslim Training Camp In New Mexico

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Atomwaffen has been holding training camps in the Nevada desert. They also had plans to blow up a nuclear power plant.

Why is it nobody seems to be getting up in arms about them?

Anyone who has ever seen the security at a nuclear power plant would realize how ridiculous that idea is.

originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Atomwaffen has been holding training camps in the Nevada desert. They also had plans to blow up a nuclear power plant.

Why is it nobody seems to be getting up in arms about them?

Anyone who has ever seen the security at a nuclear power plant would realize how ridiculous that idea is.

Right?!?!

Nuclear power plant security is right there with our domestic skies (NORAD). Flawless records.

a reply to: theatreboy

From your own source:

Taos County Sheriff Jerry Hogrefe previously said adults at the compound were "considered extremist of the Muslim belief." He did not elaborate, saying it was part of the investigation.

The article says it right there...not sure what your point is in this case.

The guy is in custody now, and will be investigated further for possible other violations...but as far as I know fanatical extremism isn't against the law. (Just ask Westboro.)

a reply to: theatreboy

Anywho, Why is it that we will not call Muslim Extremists for what they are? We, rightly, denounce the KKK, Neo Nazis, etc., but will not say an ounce about these people?

Didn't you just do that? I don't know anyone who has an actual problem calling Muslim extremists what they are. The issue as I see it is political extremists dominating every discussion, polarizing people into opposing camps and the tribal instinct to enforce rigid orthodoxy.

We all know that there are Muslim extremists who will do harm to people in the name of their religion. We all know about Muslim terrorism.

That's not really what reactionaries are after though. A guy just got elected promising to "ban all Muslims" from entering the country. That's a message that resonates with a lot of culture warriors who really want extreme measures taken to prevent what they see as the "Islamization of the West."

There's no middle ground for people who think that way.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I know they were pretty poor, but I'll have to disagree with the incredible response time and defensive capabilities of Nuke plants

abcnews.go.com...

Heres the main response to security:
www.ucsusa.org...

The design basis threat (DBT) is the official definition of the security threats power plant management is required to protect against. (It is unclear who is responsible for protecting against threats that go beyond the DBT.) After 9/11, UCS criticized the DBT for nuclear plants on these grounds, among others:
-It ignored the possibility of air- and water-based attacks;
-It did not address the possibility of large attacking groups using multiple entry points, or of an attack involving multiple insiders;
-It concentrated on threats to the reactor core, failing to address the vulnerability of spent fuel storage facilities.

Some of these issues have been addressed in recent years, but serious shortcomings remain. For example, UCS’s post-Fukushima safety and security recommendations, released in 2011, noted that the NRC had finally revised its rules to address the threat of aircraft attacks for new reactor designs—but at the same time had rejected proposed design changes to protect against water- and land-based attacks.

a reply to: seagull

Since he's in jail, apparently someone did, indeed, get up in arms about it.

Actually, what happened was that one of his roommates (and Atomwaffen member) Devon Arthurs killed their other roommate and another man (both Atomwaffen members). Arthurs claimed that he killed the men because they were harassing him about his recent conversion to Islam (self-describing himself as a "Salafist National Socialist" — that's right, just when you thought you'd seen it all — a radical Muslim neo-Nazi) and to thwart the bomb plot.

Explosives and precursors were recovered from the garage along with homemade fuses.

So the group's leader, Brandon Russell, is the National Guardsman (and apparently a former physics major) who was sentenced to 5 years for the bomb making stuff. Worse, as of a couple months ago (and six months into his sentence), Russell was found to be releasing menacing propaganda from prison.

I'm sure he'll be reformed when he gets out.

I'm not religious, I'm an agnostic, but even I can tell these guys in the compound are about as Muslim as Donald Trump is Christian, meaning not at all.

They were abusing children, committed murder and buried a child on the property; were training teenagers to fire weapons like it's some African boot camp for child soldiers, and had more wives than one per person when they clearly couldn't financially support any of the wives or kids, as is required by law.

Calling them Muslim is the same as calling Timothy McVeigh, Christian -- maybe on paper, but not in any practice.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254

Right Wing extremists have been responsible for more terror attacks post-9/11 than Muslim extremists. They would also have a higher body count if it weren't for the Pulse Nightclub massacre.

Just seems like a perpetual talking point, but I do not understand the point...

Many are labeled right wing...they might be and then maybe not, but hey once labeled then it must be true. When we are talking internal attacks of any kind we need to understand they are internal and so hard to prevent and hard to isolate the people willing to do this by either putting them in jail before they do anything or kicking them out of a country they are a citizen in...neither will really happen, right?

When we talk Muslim extremist we are talking world wide problem. If you look up the number of groups and the number of people it is like comparing thousands to millions of people involved in 100s of groups.

What if, and it's not far fetched to say the least, that Al Qaeda, ISIL, ISIS, etc. are all CIA/Neocon created terrorists organizations, funded by agency narcotics operations, and hell bent on destabilizing the Mideast, Europe, and the US? (Or where ever the US may have interests, evidently.)

You see, monopolies in the US have more power than the government itself. The military industrial complex needs constant and sustained conflict in order to satiate their addiction to profits and power. To most, this isn't new.

These terrorist organizations serve multiple roles. From regime change, intimidation, to scapegoats for further military intervention and operations. What better way to clandestinely usher in a New World Order, than to use the pawns against themselves through manipulation and collusion?

The Neocons are pissed that their operatives didn't get a chance to infiltrate US soil on a massive scale(like Europe), in order to bring the nation to its knees and institute martial law. There would be more attacks if they had. Thank your, YES,YOUR PRESIDENT, for that regardless.

Look at Hillary on her last campaign (snail) trail. She was beating the war drums about Russia like we haven't seen since the cold war. Doesn't anyone recall two short years ago when it seemed we would be attacked or attack Russia imminently?? Some, if not most, conveniently seem to forget that.

Trump got elected and the whole dynamic changed. Thank God almighty. However, now he's being accused of collaborating and colluding with Russia which is total BS. TWO FREAKING YEARS OF THIS SH#!!!

He needs to fire Rosenstein, fire Mueller, and arrest these heads of the monopolies for TREASON, and the monopolies need to be broken into pieces.

YES, these monopolies are committing TREASON on our soil and they are too powerful to be held to book.

I'm a political atheist no doubt, however we have to work with what we have and the laws that are put in place.

President Trump has the opportunity to make America LAWFUL again.

Its already GREAT, period.

I don't care about your feelings or gripes about ancillary, childish social bs and equality nonsense.

The 60's are OVER.

There are more important issues at stake now.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I'm sure he'll be reformed when he gets out.

You'd be the only one then...

a reply to: theatreboy

All these ISIS,Taliban resistance fighters were all trained in Ga by the CIA,training facility's all over US,all these organizations used to overthrow countries,then they take credit for controlling them,we need to get rid of CIA,FBI,both have the publics interest in mind only when it pertains to money

LOL Look at you sad apologists trying your hardest to deflect and change the subject. It's amusing to watch you pay no attention to the story and go "But... Nazis".

a reply to: theatreboy

This act of his is clearly to foster our internal divide on the 2nd Amendment.

Nowhere in the article linked to does it mention The Second Amendment.
No other posters even remotely allude to The Second Amendment.

This story has absolutely nothing to do with The Second Amendment, yet you felt the need to somehow fit it into your OP in order to further your own personal agenda.

I understand The Right to Bear Arms is a massive issue in the USA by why do some see the need to link it to almost every single news event?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: theatreboy

Look hard in any Ideology or demographic and you're sure to find some looneys.

Looneys yes, murderes no.
The EDL [English Defense League] is obviously far right but they have yet to go and blow people up, chop their heads of in broad daylight or have 'no go zones' where their rules are above the British law.

Lets be honest, that's the MO of muslim looneys only [and there seem to be so many that I have lost count].

a reply to: Xcalibur254

And right wing people don't excuse their behavior. A huge number of Muslims say terror attacks can be justified.

According to PEW research center over 50% of Muslims worldwide support the global implementation of Sharia Law. Islam is incompatible with the U.S., where we have a separation of religion/government. Under Sharia Law religion/government are one and the same.

www.pewforum.org...

Please compare Jesus's teachings to Mohammed's teachings, in order to understand the differences between these religions. They are night and day. Christianity is a religion based on peace. Islamism is a religion based on dominating people of other religions.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

"Over the fourth of July weekend, prominent progressive and Muslim activist Linda Sarsour, an organizer of the Women’s March, praised the elder Wahhaj at the annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America, a Muslim Brotherhood front in the U.S."

mobile.wnd.com...

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Atomwaffen has been holding training camps in the Nevada desert. They also had plans to blow up a nuclear power plant.

Why is it nobody seems to be getting up in arms about them?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a half dozen posts just here on ATS about Atomwaffen.
And you say they get no exposure?

(was trying to quote your post and hit edit instead, apologies - ATA)

originally posted by: JBIZZ
According to PEW research center over 50% of Muslims worldwide support the global implementation of Sharia Law. Islam is incompatible with the U.S., where we have a separation of religion/government. Under Sharia Law religion/government are one and the same.

www.pewforum.org...

Please compare Jesus's teachings to Mohammed's teachings, in order to understand the differences between these religions. They are night and day. Christianity is a religion based on peace. Islamism is a religion based on dominating people of other religions.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

"Over the fourth of July weekend, prominent progressive and Muslim activist Linda Sarsour, an organizer of the Women’s March, praised the elder Wahhaj at the annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America, a Muslim Brotherhood front in the U.S."

mobile.wnd.com...

This is precisely the problem with integrating Islam into Western cultures, it's the prevailing views of these people that matter. The same issue exists with immigration from 3rd world countries where crime, corruption and socialism are the norm. The values once held in high regard in the West are not the value that they hold, it's also foolish to assume they just absorb our values and discard their own once they get here.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Muninn

I did. People complained how I wasn't also condemning Antifa.

Lol, so you do the exact same?

sigh.

A Global and unified threat that has followers hidden by almost every community they infiltrate, must be ignored coz da kkk... and antifa.

sigh