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Progressives Criticize Berkeley Police for Publishing Antifa Protester Identities

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posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: Diisenchanted

I am all for posting criminals identities.

I am all for people covering their face and protesting.

Tell me how antifa could be butting into a anti marxist rally?

I get confused at all the different groups but i thought they were on the same side.

Why are people calling antifa fascist?




posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey


A white mob telling people what is good and what is bad.

All white, how could anything with a total lack of diversity be considered anything but racist by nature?

Just another example of white privilege exerting its influence over everyone and everything.





posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Diisenchanted


Wait! But but but they are peaceful protestors! Wonder how the taxpaying citizens of Berkeley feel about their taxes going to pay for damaged city vehicles? You say they are only attacking the government? Where the hell does the government get their money?





posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Antifa alone is keeping Nazi flag makes in business.

Its a fashion statement in China



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Butterfinger
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Antifa alone is keeping Nazi flag makes in business.

Its a fashion statement in China


They're both symbiotic.

Neither have purpose without the other.

Makes ya think who would benefit?



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

Actually you are incorrect as usual -

How about this survivor?

www.newsweek.com...

or this one?

thehill.com...

or maybe this one?

www.msn.com...



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Butterfinger

Strange? I have never seen them with any Nazi flags. But bet your rear end I have seen Trump supporters with them! A famous one for example would be Curt Schilling.



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: Butterfinger

So there was this thing that happened with all white bearded males carrying tiki torches in Charlottesville? Oh let me guess? They were all misunderstood?



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

You do realize the people at those rallies wearing Swastikas were alt right and not Antifa? Probably not because you love fake news. Please show me one picture of Antifa who are anti nazi wearing a swastika?! FACEPALM



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: Butterfinger

So there was this thing that happened with all white bearded males carrying tiki torches in Charlottesville? Oh let me guess? They were all misunderstood?


roflmao! Could have been a rebirth of the Vikings! Beware the Danes!

Quite a few Orthodox Jews have those white beards to sport!



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: CriticalStinker

You do realize the people at those rallies wearing Swastikas were alt right and not Antifa? Probably not because you love fake news. Please show me one picture of Antifa who are anti nazi wearing a swastika?! FACEPALM


Yea, I'm aware. Since anytime I say one is bad on this site someone says I'm a sympathizer of the other.... Sometimes I just get both out of the way.

I even differentiated the two in that post.

Glad you facepalmed for yourself.
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posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

en.wikipedia.org...

Modern left-wing terrorist groups in the United States developed from remnants of the Weather Underground and extremist elements of the Students for a Democratic Society. Between 1973 and 1975, the Symbionese Liberation Army was active, committing bank robberies, murders, and other acts of violence. Most notably, the group kidnapped heiress Patty Hearst.[11] During the 1980s, both the May 19th Communist Organization (M19CO) and the smaller United Freedom Front were active. A 1994 study found "the actual number of acts of terrorism committed by left-wing groups accounted for about three-fourths of all officially designated acts of domestic terrorism in America. About half of these leftist acts were committed by Puerto Rican groups, while the rest were committed by traditional leftist terrorist groups like M19CO".[12] After 1985, following the dismantling of both groups, one source reports there were no confirmed acts of left-wing terrorism by similar groups.[13] Incidents of left-wing terrorism dropped off at the end of the Cold War (circa 1989), partly due to the loss of support for communism.[14]


en.wikipedia.org...-wing_extremism_and_anti-government

Left-wing extremism and anti-government September 6, 1901: President William McKinley assassinated by Michigan born Russian-Polish anarchist, Leon Czolgosz, in Buffalo, New York. October 1, 1910: Los Angeles Times bombing. The Los Angeles Times building in Los Angeles was destroyed by dynamite, killing 21 workers. The bomb was apparently placed due to the paper's opposition to unionization of its employees;[16] the McNamara brothers were found guilty. November 24, 1917: A bomb explodes in a Milwaukee police station, killing nine officers and a civilian. Anarchists were suspected.[20][21] 1919 United States anarchist bombings September 16, 1920: Wall Street bombing 1969–1977: Weather Underground, a radical socialist movement, committed dozens of bombings and other terrorist activities over this time period. List of Weatherman actions August 7, 1969: Twenty were injured by radical leftist Sam Melville in a bombing of the Marine Midland Building in New York City. September 18, 1969: The Federal Building in New York City was bombed by radical leftist Jane Alpert.[34] October 7, 1969: Fifth floor of the Armed Forces Induction Center in New York City was devastated by explosion attributed to radical leftist Jane Alpert. November 12, 1969: A bomb was detonated in the Manhattan Criminal Court building in New York City. Jane Alpert, Sam Melville, and 3 other militant radical leftists were arrested hours later.[34][35] 1971 – 1975: The New World Liberation Front was a radical left-wing group in the San Francisco area in the 70's who conducted multiple bombings in the Bay area over a 3-year period. They claim almost 50 successful bombings.[164] March 1, 1971: The radical leftist group Weather Underground exploded a bomb in the United States Capitol to protest the U.S. invasion of Laos.[165] June 13, 1974: The 29th floor of the Gulf Tower in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, was bombed with dynamite at 9:41 pm resulting in no injuries. The radical leftist group Weather Underground took credit, but no suspects have ever been identified.[38] November 7, 1983: U.S. Senate bombing. The Armed Resistance Unit, a militant leftist group, bombed the United States Capitol in response to the U.S. invasion of Grenada. May 2002: Lucas John Helder rigged pipe bombs in private mailboxes to explode when the boxes were opened. He injured 6 people in Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Illinois, and Iowa. His motivation was to garner media attention so that he could spread a message denouncing government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana, as well as promote astral projection. June 14, 2017 James T. Hodgkinson, a supporter of presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont was distraught over the 2016 election of President Donald J. Trump,[166] and opened fire on an Alexandria, VA baseball field where the Republican congressional team was practicing for the following day's Congressional Baseball Game. Majority whip Representative Steve Scalise of Louisiana was one of four who were wounded. Hodgkinson was fatally shot by police who arrived at the scene within a few minutes of the shooting.[10]
least the right isnt out trying to kill democratic senators but each side has their dark pasts and current dark events

from above link

Right-wing extremism and anti-government April 19, 1995: Oklahoma City bombing: A truck bomb shattered the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. Right-wing terrorists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were convicted in the bombing. July 27, 1996: Centennial Olympic Park bombing by Eric Robert Rudolph occurred in Atlanta, Georgia, during the Atlanta Olympics. One person was killed and 111 injured. In a statement released in 2005 Rudolph said the motive was to protest abortion and the "global socialist" Olympic Movement. July 27, 2008: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting: Jim David Adkisson enters the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee with a shotgun, killing two and injuring several congregants before being tackled to the ground. Adkisson stated to the police and in a manifesto that he desired to kill Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. Adkisson pleaded guilty to the crime in February 2009 and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.[174][175] November 1, 2013: 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting: 23-year-old Paul Ciancia kills a Transportation Security Administration agent and wounds 7 others, 3 of them TSA agents. Ciancia was shot and taken into custody. A note found in Ciancia's pocket said he believed he was a patriot and wanted to kill "patriot" upset at former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, and that he wanted to kill "TSA and pigs".[176] June 8, 2014: 2014 Las Vegas shootings: Two Las Vegas police officers while eating pizza in a restaurant and one civilian were shot to death allegedly by Jerad and Amanda Miller, a married couple, in a suicide attack. A Gadsden flag, swastika and a note promising "revolution," was placed on the deceased officers bodies. The couple were thrown out a patriot group defending rancher Cliven Bundy. The Millers were both killed in a shootout with police on the same day.[177][178]


and as all attacks arent terroisim its kind of hard to compare numbers

time.com...

At their worst, the scrums have been belittling and violent, as grown men and women shout, punch and taunt one another or destroy property. But the questions many are fighting over cut to the core of the American democratic system. In a time when politics have turned toxic, are there ideas so repugnant and dangerous that they shouldn’t be allowed to be uttered in public? Do certain words amount to attacks and therefore justify violence in return? Or must all communities endure the speech they hate most, even when the point of the speech is to make others angry? These are centuries-old debates, and freethinking Berkeley has seen countless protests over the decades. Yet city and university officials also say there is something unprecedented happening now. While some locals have shown up with the standard placards and megaphones, others have traveled from afar, bringing smoke bombs and sticks, seemingly spoiling for a fight. In three big clashes this spring, dozens have been arrested and others have been sent to the hospital. “This level of political violence is something we have not seen before,” says Arreguin. “This is a new situation.” And there are signs of it elsewhere. On May 29, the mayor of Portland, Ore., asked federal authorities to halt upcoming “alt-right demonstrations” after two men were stabbed and killed while trying to protect young women from a man yelling anti-Muslim slurs on a commuter train. The suspect in the stabbings entered the courtroom for his arraignment on May 30, casting himself as a champion of the Constitution. “Get out if you don’t like free speech,” he declared. The mayor had another message. “There is never a place for bigotry or hatred in our community,” said Ted Wheeler, “and especially not now.” Many on the left say the words free speech are now being used as a cover for spreading hate in America. Many on the right say the left has been reacting violently to mere words. And in an era when Americans feel tense and divided, some groups have zeroed in on Berkeley as “a stage for open melee,” as one conservative organizer put it, treating the town like a shrine to be captured or defended in a religious war.



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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continued from above post, this is why some people here dont like anti fa because they want to limit speech and i have always believed that the answer to speech you dont like isnt to riot or break things but to counter their argument with words not censorship in the name of stopping offensive or "hate speech" www.washingtonpost.com... -amendment/?utm_term=.f4d44f4e8d45

From today’s opinion by Justice Samuel Alito (for four justices) in Matal v. Tam, the “Slants” case: [The idea that the government may restrict] speech expressing ideas that offend … strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.” Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote separately, also for four justices, but on this point the opinions agreed: A law found to discriminate based on viewpoint is an “egregious form of content discrimination,” which is “presumptively unconstitutional.” … A law that can be directed against speech found offensive to some portion of the public can be turned against minority and dissenting views to the detriment of all. The First Amendment does not entrust that power to the government’s benevolence. Instead, our reliance must be on the substantial safeguards of free and open discussion in a democratic society. And the justices made clear that speech that some view as racially offensive is protected not just against outright prohibition but also against lesser restrictions. In Matal, the government refused to register “The Slants” as a band’s trademark, on the ground that the name might be seen as demeaning to Asian Americans. The government wasn’t trying to forbid the band from using the mark; it was just denying it certain protections that trademarks get against unauthorized use by third parties. But even in this sort of program, the court held, viewpoint discrimination — including against allegedly racially offensive viewpoints — is unconstitutional. And this no-viewpoint-discrimination principle has long been seen as applying to exclusion of speakers from universities, denial of tax exemptions to nonprofits, and much more.
and scotus has been very clear in its rulings

www.thoughtco.com... list of cases covering the topic even cross burning is protected speech ,WBC picketing funerals is free speech, in 1977 they even allowed a nazi group to hold their rally in a town full of holocaust survivors as free speech ,in 69 it was ruled protected speech to advocate the overthrowing of the us government . again not saying these groups are good or whatever but the right to free speech has been protected for a good deal of time in this country even when done by offensive groups and shady fools.
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posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Diisenchanted
If you are compelled to protest you should do it proudly with your head held high.

Not like a coward with your face hidden.

The ravers from the Boston Tea Party would disagree.



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Diisenchanted
If you are compelled to protest you should do it proudly with your head held high.

Not like a coward with your face hidden.

The ravers from the Boston Tea Party would disagree.


Didn't the Progs erase that from the history books yet??? Ahhh, never mind, they just call our founders racists and terrorists!



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
Didn't the Progs erase that from the history books yet??? Ahhh, never mind, they just call our founders racists and terrorists!

So, you are all on the same page now?



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: seeker1963
Didn't the Progs erase that from the history books yet??? Ahhh, never mind, they just call our founders racists and terrorists!

So, you are all on the same page now?


Insinuate what you think of me all you want, do you think I care?

Those who founded our country and died fighting for it did it for Freedom and Liberty. You trying to compare Antifa to them is telling enough for me comrade!



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
Insinuate what you think of me all you want, do you think I care?

Complain about things that are not there, do you think I care?


Those who founded our country and died fighting for it did it for Freedom and Liberty. You trying to compare Antifa to them is telling enough for me comrade!

But they did carry out things like the Boston Tea party in disguise.

Also, they did not stand and fight like proper gentlemen, according to the redcoats.

The difference is that I'm not criticizing the actions of one group while holding similar actions by others as heroic.



posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: seeker1963
Insinuate what you think of me all you want, do you think I care?

Complain about things that are not there, do you think I care?


Those who founded our country and died fighting for it did it for Freedom and Liberty. You trying to compare Antifa to them is telling enough for me comrade!

But they did carry out things like the Boston Tea party in disguise.

Also, they did not stand and fight like proper gentlemen, according to the redcoats.

The difference is that I'm not criticizing the actions of one group while holding similar actions by others as heroic.


Burn some books then! Maybe it will make you feel better?


I support the Constitution and Freedom and Liberty, if you are against that? Then I guess you and I or your comrades will square off when the time comes?

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posted on Aug, 9 2018 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: Butterfinger

Strange? I have never seen them with any Nazi flags. But bet your rear end I have seen Trump supporters with them! A famous one for example would be Curt Schilling.


Oh man, you're just looking for a fight today.

Butterfinger was saying that ANTIFA has given that group(s) more attention, and also being the antithesis make them more emboldened.



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