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Is the reason we don't have disclosure because of religious zelots?

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posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 09:39 PM
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OK, so I understand there's probably a lot of reasons we don't have disclosure and the true information about ETs and UFOs are hidden from the general public.

With that being said, I can't help but feel one of the biggest reasons by far, that we don't have disclosure is because of religious zealots. Like literally people will lose their s*!t if the government came clean on the alien and UFO agenda tomorrow.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing or hating on religious people, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, thoughts and beliefs. I myself used to be a devout Christian, so I know what it's like to come from a place where it's difficult to compromise your beliefs and accept any other narrative than the one you're being fed.

I can't help but notice that on literally every thread on here or all over social media, when aliens or UFOs are brought up, you get some religious folk that chime in how ETs are really fallen angels and are truly demons, work of the devil and what not.

It's difficult not to sit there and shake my head at this stuff.

You see people ask the questions on the time

* Why don't we have disclosure yet?
* Why don't ETs just make themselves known to us?

I mean is it really any wonder why? We're stuck in this stone age primitive thinking stage and can't get past that.

I am more than willing to accept that those people MAY be right but the problem comes from the other side of the fence, the religious zealots are never prepared to accept the possibility that they may be wrong.

This is why we're stagnant and can't move forward, people refuse to accept that when we're speculating on the unknown, it's all just that, theory and speculation. Nobody truly knows, nobody has the knowledge of the ultimate truth and nobody can say for sure that their way of thinking is right.

If we meet this topic with such hostility, what hope is there for us as a human race, what hope is there for us moving forward and advancing?

Isn't it time we opened our mind and our hearts to the possibility that instead of these things being evil, of satan, demons or fallen angels, that in fact, the universe is a crazy large place teeming with life, with some life forms wanting to know as much about us as we do about them.

On the balance of probability alone, the chances that religious doctrine points to these beings being evil, demons or fallen angels is pretty slim. I find it much more likely that we are not the centre of the universe and that we are not God's only chosen and special creatures but that we're just a droplet of paint on an artist's evergrowing canvas.

Such primitive thinking and ideology is only holding us back.




posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: R1CK3O
OK, so I understand there's probably a lot of reasons we don't have disclosure and the true information about ETs and UFOs are hidden from the general public.

With that being said, I can't help but feel one of the biggest reasons by far, that we don't have disclosure is because of religious zealots. Like literally people will lose their s*!t if the government came clean on the alien and UFO agenda tomorrow.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing or hating on religious people, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, thoughts and beliefs. I myself used to be a devout Christian, so I know what it's like to come from a place where it's difficult to compromise your beliefs and accept any other narrative than the one you're being fed.

I can't help but notice that on literally every thread on here or all over social media, when aliens or UFOs are brought up, you get some religious folk that chime in how ETs are really fallen angels and are truly demons, work of the devil and what not.

It's difficult not to sit there and shake my head at this stuff.

You see people ask the questions on the time

* Why don't we have disclosure yet?
* Why don't ETs just make themselves known to us?

I mean is it really any wonder why? We're stuck in this stone age primitive thinking stage and can't get past that.

I am more than willing to accept that those people MAY be right but the problem comes from the other side of the fence, the religious zealots are never prepared to accept the possibility that they may be wrong.

This is why we're stagnant and can't move forward, people refuse to accept that when we're speculating on the unknown, it's all just that, theory and speculation. Nobody truly knows, nobody has the knowledge of the ultimate truth and nobody can say for sure that their way of thinking is right.

If we meet this topic with such hostility, what hope is there for us as a human race, what hope is there for us moving forward and advancing?

Isn't it time we opened our mind and our hearts to the possibility that instead of these things being evil, of satan, demons or fallen angels, that in fact, the universe is a crazy large place teeming with life, with some life forms wanting to know as much about us as we do about them.

On the balance of probability alone, the chances that religious doctrine points to these beings being evil, demons or fallen angels is pretty slim. I find it much more likely that we are not the centre of the universe and that we are not God's only chosen and special creatures but that we're just a droplet of paint on an artist's evergrowing canvas.

Such primitive thinking and ideology is only holding us back.


Quick Ranking of Most Likely Reasons Aliens Haven’t Been Disclosed:

1) There is no evidence they exist.
2) Governments know as much as you and I do.





999) Religious Zealots




This is coming from someone who BELIEVES some sort of extraterrestrial presence has been on this planet at least once in the last 4.5 billion years (more than likely just an unmanned probe), but has never seen any concrete evidence that this is true. Just my dumb belief.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 09:57 PM
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1) There is no evidence they exist.


I think this is very naive. I mean with all the galaxies and all the solar systems in the ever-growing universe, you'd be very silly to say that there's no evidence that they exist. Sure we can get down to the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of it and say have I ever seen an ET, have I ever touched one, that kind of evidence we don't have but I'm on ATS here not Skeptics Unite....

Even if you make my question hypothetical, it still stands.

I also think there's countless evidence to show our government knows what's going on. The countless amounts of witness testimonies, Roswell, Rendlesham, the Alan Godfrey case, I mean the list just goes on and on, very credible people with remarkable testimonies.

Sure, again, nuts and bolts of it, every story requires a leap of faith but to say there's no proof or evidence out there is just arrogant. There's plenty of proof/evidence it just may not be to your standards or what you're willing to accept. It's easy to dismiss someone if you've not been a participant to something first hand or witnessed something for yourself, but your belief and opinion does not mean those people are wrong, no matter how much you choose to not believe it.

Of course they could all be wrong and liars, I accept, hands held out, there's no concrete evidence today to prove without a doubt that ETs/UFOs exist and the government known about it, no smoking gun if you like that proves to the world conclusively, that's not to say evidence doesn't exist just that it's not in the public domain.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:01 PM
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One possible reason could be all the lies they (TPTB) have told over the years and that after some digging they would be exposed.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: R1CK3O
There's an agenda about perceived reality.......and disclosure
How old are ya

Seriously tell me
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posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: R1CK3O



1) There is no evidence they exist.


I think this is very naive. I mean with all the galaxies and all the solar systems in the ever-growing universe, you'd be very silly to say that there's no evidence that they exist. Sure we can get down to the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of it and say have I ever seen an ET, have I ever touched one, that kind of evidence we don't have but I'm on ATS here not Skeptics Unite....

Even if you make my question hypothetical, it still stands.

I also think there's countless evidence to show our government knows what's going on. The countless amounts of witness testimonies, Roswell, Rendlesham, the Alan Godfrey case, I mean the list just goes on and on, very credible people with remarkable testimonies.

Sure, again, nuts and bolts of it, every story requires a leap of faith but to say there's no proof or evidence out there is just arrogant. There's plenty of proof/evidence it just may not be to your standards or what you're willing to accept. It's easy to dismiss someone if you've not been a participant to something first hand or witnessed something for yourself, but your belief and opinion does not mean those people are wrong, no matter how much you choose to not believe it.

Of course they could all be wrong and liars, I accept, hands held out, there's no concrete evidence today to prove without a doubt that ETs/UFOs exist and the government known about it, no smoking gun if you like that proves to the world conclusively, that's not to say evidence doesn't exist just that it's not in the public domain.


Read the last line of my post. I BELIEVE some other intelligence has actually been on this planet.

You and I are on the same page pretty much.

I’m also a gambling man and think “If I had to bet on this what would give me my best return?”. The best bet would be that there is nothing to disclose. Doesn’t mean it would be the RIGHT bet, but the most likely to win.

What’s more likely? That governments and militaries the world over have held onto a secret like this for a LONG time without a shred of evidence leak out or break in the chain OR that no such irrefutable evidence of ET exists?

Governments have even released, slowly but surely, some (most? all?) of what they do have and still there’s nothing concrete.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:37 PM
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No
Just no



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:45 PM
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i derive perverse ammusement from reading these threads :

always the same formula :

it it wasnt for those pesky < insert > then we would have < insert >



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 11:07 PM
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Disclosure has already taken place thousands of years ago.

Just who the hell do you thing Angelic beings are? The fallen beings are very intelligent and find it very easy to fool naïve know it alls, who know nothing at all. You make fun of Christians, when the Bible refers to advanced beings, and even shows their technology in use. Amazing! Are you really that blind?



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
Disclosure has already taken place thousands of years ago.

Just who the hell do you thing Angelic beings are? The fallen beings are very intelligent and find it very easy to fool naïve know it alls, who know nothing at all. You make fun of Christians, when the Bible refers to advanced beings, and even shows their technology in use. Amazing! Are you really that blind?


Thank you! People are waiting for something that's never coming. No 1 person or group speaks for the world.

They are here, have always been here. Folks need to stop expecting some big announcement...it ain't coming, because it's not necessary.

We ignored 1,000's of years of evidence...pfffft!


(post by The Shrike removed for a manners violation)

posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: The Shrike

But... but... but... Carl Sagan! The Drake Equation! Bill F# Nye for Christ's sake!



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: R1CK3O

We've seen in movie after movie, aliens of all sorts of shapes and dispositions.

Do you honestly think anyone will lose it if/when it happens?



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 11:51 PM
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there hasn't been disclosure because there's nothing to disclose



posted on Aug, 8 2018 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: R1CK3O
OK, so I understand there's probably a lot of reasons we don't have disclosure and the true information about ETs and UFOs are hidden from the general public.

With that being said, I can't help but feel one of the biggest reasons by far, that we don't have disclosure is because of religious zealots. Like literally people will lose their s*!t if the government came clean on the alien and UFO agenda tomorrow.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing or hating on religious people, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, thoughts and beliefs. I myself used to be a devout Christian, so I know what it's like to come from a place where it's difficult to compromise your beliefs and accept any other narrative than the one you're being fed.

I can't help but notice that on literally every thread on here or all over social media, when aliens or UFOs are brought up, you get some religious folk that chime in how ETs are really fallen angels and are truly demons, work of the devil and what not.

It's difficult not to sit there and shake my head at this stuff.

You see people ask the questions on the time

* Why don't we have disclosure yet?
* Why don't ETs just make themselves known to us?

I mean is it really any wonder why? We're stuck in this stone age primitive thinking stage and can't get past that.

I am more than willing to accept that those people MAY be right but the problem comes from the other side of the fence, the religious zealots are never prepared to accept the possibility that they may be wrong.

This is why we're stagnant and can't move forward, people refuse to accept that when we're speculating on the unknown, it's all just that, theory and speculation. Nobody truly knows, nobody has the knowledge of the ultimate truth and nobody can say for sure that their way of thinking is right.

If we meet this topic with such hostility, what hope is there for us as a human race,
Isn't it time we opened our mind and our hearts to the possibility that instead of these things being evil, of satan, demons or fallen angels, that in fact, the universe is a crazy large place teeming with life, with some life forms wanting to know as much about us as we do about them.

On the balance of probability alone, the chances that religious doctrine points to these beings being evil, demons or fallen angels is pretty slim. I find it much more likely that we are not the centre of the universe and that we are not God's only chosen and special creatures but that we're just a droplet of paint on an artist's evergrowing canvas.

Such primitive thinking and ideology is only holding us back.



1. "With that being said, 1. "With that being said, I can't help but feel one of the biggest reasons by far, that we don't have disclosure is because of religious zealots."?)

*I believe we don't have disclosure is because the government has too much to hide (i.e. they have been and still are in communication with the beings who are claiming to be "helpful".


2. "but the problem comes from the other side of the fence, the religious zealots are never prepared to accept the possibility that they may be wrong."

*I for one believe that God created many different races, not just us here on earth. I also believe the Bible when it says that Satan rebelled and God threw Satan and 1/3 of the Angels out of Heaven to go to and from the earth. Having said that, it is my belief (as a religious zealot?) that some of what we see as ufo's are fallen angels, and some may truly be just alien races that God created but do no harm to us or interact with us in any way.


3. "This is why we're stagnant and can't move forward"
"Such primitive thinking and ideology is only holding us back"
"what hope is there for us moving forward and advancing?"


*The Bible states in Genesis that Satan was subtle and told Eve that if they ate of the Tree of the fruit of life that they wouldn't actually die like God said, but that they would be like Gods themselves. This is what many today are trying to do when they try to raise their consciousness and become the gods they are (as they have been told by these spirit guides). Satan has an MO and it is still the same today as it was back then. So...having said all that...I may considered a religious zealot to some people, but I believe that God created many races but they are not allowed to interact with us here on earth. The interaction would change our option to have "free will". Another point is that...in many other countries in the world, their governments do not hide the fact that there are "ufo's". Mainly in the United States do they take the approach..."ufo's? what ufo's?" even though they KNOW there is something out there. I don't believe that they are hiding it because I believe in God. I would NOT go nuts if they came out and said aliens were real, because after having seen ufo's many times in my life, I would say "I told you so!"

**edit: oh, and I forgot to say that this is just MY viewpoints. I do respect that yours is different and hope this didn't come off as rude in any way.
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posted on Aug, 8 2018 @ 01:40 AM
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You wanna know why we don't have disclosure?

Look at how just half the population of the US has reacted to Trump.

Now imagine the world reacting to Aliens being confirmed.

And I would bet a hefty sum that many that believe Aliens are out there would still have a nice freakout.



posted on Aug, 8 2018 @ 01:40 AM
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Funny that you would bring religion into it. The whole disclosure thing sounds pretty religious to me.

Disclosure, the driving prophecy of the UFO religion.



posted on Aug, 8 2018 @ 04:35 AM
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My guess would be that the reason we don't have disclosure about ETs is there's nothing to disclose. My guess is that we have already been told everything they can tell us and we just don't want to believe there aren't any little green men that the government is aware of.

I think they probably do have lots of things going on that they're unwilling to share with the public but I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with ETs. And maybe it's even convenient for them to keep us guessing and debating and arguing and questioning our sanity as a distraction.
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posted on Aug, 8 2018 @ 08:25 AM
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You see people ask the questions on the time * Why don't we have disclosure yet? * Why don't ETs just make themselves known to us? I mean is it really any wonder why? We're stuck in this stone age primitive thinking stage and can't get past that.



What stone aged thinking?

Can you give examples?


the paragraph just before that you were talking about how many believe Aliens are Fallen angels and demons, is that the stoned aged thinking you are talking about?





If we meet this topic with such hostility, what hope is there for us as a human race, what hope is there for us moving forward and advancing?




Hostility towards what topic?

Not sure what you saying.




Isn't it time we opened our mind and our hearts to the possibility that instead of these things being evil, of satan, demons or fallen angels, that in fact, the universe is a crazy large place teeming with life, with some life forms wanting to know as much about us as we do about them.



seeing as everything you have posted about how its all speculation and nobody knows why cant you open your heart and mind that a religious zealot may be correct concerning aliens being demons?




On the balance of probability alone, the chances that religious doctrine points to these beings being evil, demons or fallen angels is pretty slim.



Not being evil but spiritual in nature is much more likely and being more and more accepted by those that have an interest in UFOlogy.



posted on Aug, 8 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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Recall the 1938 radio broadcast, by Orson Welles, War of the Worlds? Many thought that was real and mass hysteria and panic ensued. It would be the same with today's people.
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