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An investigation by Arizona State University (ASU) in Tempe concluded this week that high-profile astrophysicist and atheist Lawrence Krauss violated the university’s sexual harassment policy by grabbing a woman’s breast at a conference in Australia in late 2016.
“Responsive action is being taken to prevent any further recurrence of similar conduct,” ASU’s executive vice president and provost, Mark Searle, wrote in a 31 July letter to Melanie Thomson, a microbiologist based in Ocean Grove, Australia, who is an outspoken advocate for women in science. Thomson, who witnessed the breast-grabbing incident, received the investigative report from ASU’s Office of Equity and Inclusion (OEI) and shared it with Science.
In response to an email asking what specific actions the university is taking, an ASU spokesperson wrote: “Professor Lawrence Krauss is no longer director of Arizona State University’s Origins Project, a research unit at ASU. Krauss remains on administrative leave from the university. It is the policy of the university not to comment on ongoing personnel matters.”
She told them that “she did not feel victimized, felt it was a clumsy interpersonal interaction and thought she had handled it in the moment,” telling Krauss directly that his behavior was not OK. According to the report: “She also stated to the OEI investigator that the incident did not merit the man losing his career.”
Thomson first filed a complaint with ASU about the incident in July 2017. The university quickly concluded there was insufficient evidence to find that Krauss had violated ASU policy. But it reopened the probe in February, after publication of the BuzzFeed article, which described the incident in Australia, as well as several others. (Krauss offered an extensive rebuttal to the Buzzfeed article.)
“They should have believed me the first time,” Thomson says. “It’s ridiculous the amount of effort you have to go through to stop universities from just dismissing these cases. I have been traumatized by the process and I wasn’t even a victim.”
originally posted by: grey580
I want to disagree with you.
But after reading your OP twice. I'm not sure what you're angry about.
So I'm not sure what to be angry with you about.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: dantanna
Really? 'Cause if some random guy touched my breast, my husband would be the one... um... complaining the loudest...
But it's only us girls? Us incels? Wow.
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Krakatoa
After watching this whole #MeToo movement play out, it seems that the end result (if not the intended purpose) is to address sexual improprieties from both extremes, and pretend like there's no middle ground.
If a guy pays a compliment to a woman -- even if in the crudest and most vulgar manner -- okay. Annoying maybe, but nothing that will keep me from going on about my business. If a guy tells a woman what he wants to do to her body, that's creepy and a little concerning. If he's willing to say it, is he willing to do it also? If a guy actually presumes to touch a woman's body, that goes beyond creepy and scary. It is a threat. You cannot trust him. He has already proven he will do what he will with no regard or respect for your person or will. Does that mean he's a brutal rapist? Not necessarily... but it's a huge red flag.
It is much like when you wake up and find an intruder standing over your bed... they've already broken trust. You know you cannot trust them. And at that point, you can use lethal force against that person with the blessings of the law.
Should a woman use lethal force against a man for touching her breast? No. But what is the appropriate response? Where is the middle ground? At one point does it cross an unacceptable line?
I'm no more impressed by those who want to blow it off than I am by those who want to lock him up and throw away the key. But the bottom line is that it's not up to men to tell women what they can and cannot do to us.
What would he do if you took care of it yourself at the time and you told him it was over and a non-issue? Would he still risk a legal assault charge at that point?