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Now the Trump administration wants to limit citizenship for legal immigrants

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posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 02:17 PM
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Remember that once they are here and they have kiddo's then the children are citizens and eligible for help if needed.




posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

Right--the anchor-baby issue.

I full grasp that, and it's often done intentionally. Those parents shouldn't be citizens with that mentality, IMO (again, if the anchor-baby thing was their goal and reason for coming here).



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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wish these policies were enacted back in the late 1800s to early 1900s... that would have been more fair. ...

heck, maybe trump wouldn't have been eligible for presidency then... or Melania's parents wouldn't have gotten their citizenship recently



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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Is this being presented as something he's never talked about before? Because he has.

We have a finite amount of resources. Even Democrats agree our immigration system needs a major overhaul. It can't just be a free for all.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: howtonhawky

Right--the anchor-baby issue.

I full grasp that, and it's often done intentionally. Those parents shouldn't be citizens with that mentality, IMO (again, if the anchor-baby thing was their goal and reason for coming here).



I agree that tha parents should not be givin citizenship for reproducing but they should be allowed to stay and raise the child if that is the choice.

Now it will be argued that they are staying through no fault of their own to raise the citizen baby and that gives them the right to get welfare when needed.

possibilities anyhow



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: TXRabbit
Sure are a lot of Native Americans here on ATS. What tribe were your parents/grandparents from?


Cherokee, actually.

By the way, that argument is stupid.




posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
Is this being presented as something he's never talked about before? Because he has.

We have a finite amount of resources. Even Democrats agree our immigration system needs a major overhaul. It can't just be a free for all.


finite in relation to what?

We create the resources such as health care and we print tha monies...

I do not feel it is about resources as much as it is about what people do with their time.In other word show do people contribute. That should be the determining factor. It is about taking without giving back. It is about the mentality of those coming in.


eta one factor i have left out till now............VOTING RIGHTS
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posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785
Is this being presented as something he's never talked about before? Because he has.

We have a finite amount of resources. Even Democrats agree our immigration system needs a major overhaul. It can't just be a free for all.


finite in relation to what?

We create the resources such as health care and we print tha monies...

I do not feel it is about resources as much as it is about what people do with their time.In other word show do people contribute. That should be the determining factor. It is about taking without giving back. It is about the mentality of those coming in.


eta one factor i have left out till now............VOTING RIGHTS


It is about resources. Money can't just be printed without limit, for one. That's basic economics. We're already in debt. We need to be cutting down on handouts, not importing more people who will need more government-run programs. You mention healthcare, our healthcare system is already overloaded, there are long wait times, nursing and doctor shortages, etc etc. So bring in more patients?

Limiting immigration to people who can bring skills and support themselves is fine with me. And the regulations will not have any limitations on race, so anyone who cries "racism" is a fake, and probably racist themselves because they assume all immigrants are Mexican or something.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785
Is this being presented as something he's never talked about before? Because he has.

We have a finite amount of resources. Even Democrats agree our immigration system needs a major overhaul. It can't just be a free for all.


finite in relation to what?

We create the resources such as health care and we print tha monies...

I do not feel it is about resources as much as it is about what people do with their time.In other word show do people contribute. That should be the determining factor. It is about taking without giving back. It is about the mentality of those coming in.


eta one factor i have left out till now............VOTING RIGHTS


It is about resources. Money can't just be printed without limit, for one. That's basic economics. We're already in debt. We need to be cutting down on handouts, not importing more people who will need more government-run programs. You mention healthcare, our healthcare system is already overloaded, there are long wait times, nursing and doctor shortages, etc etc. So bring in more patients?

Limiting immigration to people who can bring skills and support themselves is fine with me. And the regulations will not have any limitations on race, so anyone who cries "racism" is a fake, and probably racist themselves because they assume all immigrants are Mexican or something.

Yes money is created without limit except for inflation and devaluation that is controlled by supply and demand for the most part by tha fed..We agree that we need to cut down on hand out's and that is why those coming in need to be contributing. Health care is not run into the ground by the people seeking care.......you know this...it is the insurance companies,big pharma and the doh.. Yes we most certainly bring in more patients if they contribute. I guess you missed the op entirely.


The problem is free hand outs and voting. The problem is not people but the mentality of people.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785
Is this being presented as something he's never talked about before? Because he has.

We have a finite amount of resources. Even Democrats agree our immigration system needs a major overhaul. It can't just be a free for all.


finite in relation to what?

We create the resources such as health care and we print tha monies...

I do not feel it is about resources as much as it is about what people do with their time.In other word show do people contribute. That should be the determining factor. It is about taking without giving back. It is about the mentality of those coming in.


eta one factor i have left out till now............VOTING RIGHTS


It is about resources. Money can't just be printed without limit, for one. That's basic economics. We're already in debt. We need to be cutting down on handouts, not importing more people who will need more government-run programs. You mention healthcare, our healthcare system is already overloaded, there are long wait times, nursing and doctor shortages, etc etc. So bring in more patients?

Limiting immigration to people who can bring skills and support themselves is fine with me. And the regulations will not have any limitations on race, so anyone who cries "racism" is a fake, and probably racist themselves because they assume all immigrants are Mexican or something.

Yes money is created without limit except for inflation and devaluation that is controlled by supply and demand for the most part by tha fed..We agree that we need to cut down on hand out's and that is why those coming in need to be contributing. Health care is not run into the ground by the people seeking care.......you know this...it is the insurance companies,big pharma and the doh.. Yes we most certainly bring in more patients if they contribute. I guess you missed the op entirely.


The problem is free hand outs and voting. The problem is not people but the mentality of people.


That's a great bumper sticker but as long as things are the way they are, whether it's the state of our health system or "the mentality of people", we should make policy based on that reality, not based on some future fantasy that doesn't exist yet. Until we fix our governmental problems and people become altruistic unicorns, some limitations are reasonable.

And when I said "you can't just keep printing money without limit" I didn't mean it was physically impossible to do. Of course you can keep printing it, but you'll # up the economy. My point was we only have so much money available, if you keep bringing in more people without some kind of controls, just by sheer statistics you're going to get mostly unskilled people who are going to go into low-income sectors, requiring more help. It puts a bigger strain on the economy, and if you just "create more resources" by printing more money you'll crash the economy eventually.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:12 PM
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There is nothing wrong with rejecting another countries rejects. Or rejecting folks that reject their own country.
If all a you got to offer The US. is dead weight? There's always Europe! They have socialism there. Work your A** off at home, save for the boat ride and go to Europe. The "huddled masses" seem to think the American tax payers want another welfare recipient, on top of retired government officials and other deadbeats we pay for.
Not really true. Europe is awesome with Its thousands of years of modern history. Lol!

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posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: face23785

blah

we are still in agreement.

it is very important to frame this order in a manner that will have less challenge to it and will help the most

too tough and it will just be laughed at by judges



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: face23785

blah

we are still in agreement.

it is very important to frame this order in a manner that will have less challenge to it and will help the most

too tough and it will just be laughed at by judges


That's fine, it can go up to SCOTUS and get upheld. The President is well within his authority. People not liking the order because it's mean doesn't make it illegal or unconstitutional.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:25 PM
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lol

that is dumb

an xo that takes his full term to be enacted...

would be wiser to take smaller smart bites that go unchallenged unless the goal is just outrage and kaos in lu of change



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

Fine...



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 09:37 PM
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As an immigrant myself when I was granted permanent residency I signed a document that stated if I receive and government assistance, I or the person sponsoring my residency would have to pay the gross of those benefits and intrest back to the government. This is not new and if I do receive the government assistance and do not pay the balance I will not be considered for citizenship to this great country.
edit on 7-8-2018 by Brit-Tex because: How it read



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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Everybody is dancing all over the place with rationalizations.

Why this, why now? He wants to make America White Again. He's a racist. Period. Wake up and smell the coffee and the small-minded little racist mindset from 1945.

MAWA



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posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:00 PM
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So this means that Trump wants to punish people for accepting benefits that the government willingly offered to people?

If that is true, then it's an immoral proposition at best and should be condemned.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:09 PM
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It’s always been this way I am an legal immigrant to this great country. You are allowed to accept these benefits but until you repay the balance of the benefits, yourself or the sponsor then you will not be considered for citizenship.

Why is this so hard to understand I became a resident in 2010 this was the same under the previous admin and the one before that and the one before that etc.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 10:14 PM
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My wife legally immigrated from one of the poorest EU nations, learned English which she's now completely fluent in. Worked her ass off every day for decades in her 3rd language, never took any kind of assistance from the government and is happy and successful.

Why should other lazy or uneducated immigrants have it easier? What many lefties don't understand is a large number in the immigrant community ask the same question.



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