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So is it ok for an American citizen to collude with adversarial governments???

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posted on Aug, 6 2018 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: M5xaz

Dont forget her servers that were hacked and datamined by a foreign gov, and the fact we just found out she lied and had 2 not one.




posted on Aug, 6 2018 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


Meeting with the "adversarial" government, but not taking possession of information or documents is LEGAL.

Meeting with the "adversarial" government, and obtaining information and/or documents is ILLEGAL.

What Don Jr. did was LEGAL. What Hillary/FBI did was ILLEGAL.

President Trump is playing the idiot press like a fiddle this week, by re-directing them back to the LEGAL meeting his son had with Russian lawyer Natalia.

While they're hoping and praying a law was broken by President Trump's beloved son...the 3rd FISA warrant reapplication will be UN-redacted. It will show who/how the ILLEGAL crime of CONSPIRACY with an "adversarial" government was perpetrated.

edit on 8/6/2018 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 6 2018 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
The most interesting part of the whole trump/Russia collusion debacle is what precedent it would set for the American people...

If they establish that trump did nothing illegal. Then it is basically a get out of jail free card for every tom , dick and Harry to do the same..

Hell one of us ATSers could help Iran, Palistine or North Korea install their choice candidate...

I just have a hard time believing they will want to establish that precedent for everyone..


Totally. As long as they "Tel id luk id iz".

And "buttery males"!



posted on Aug, 6 2018 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Meeting with the "adversarial" government, but not taking possession of information or documents is LEGAL.


That's not how crime works. If I break into your house and don't steal anything, it's still a crime. If I shoot my gun at you and don't kill you, it's still a crime. If your campaign actively works with a foreign government to win an election and yet you 'get nothing' it's still a crime.

Trump knew this was going on. Before the Trump tower meeting he promised 'big news' that would bring Clinton down, the meeting turned out to be discussions on the Magnitsky Act and the 'big news' never came.

I love how the narrative has gone from 'there was no collusion' to 'collusion isn't a crime' to 'who cares if there was collusion?'

I'd imagine the next iteration will be 'collusion is a good thing because it saved us from Hillary Clinton!'


originally posted by: Abysha
And "buttery males"!


omg...buttery males...I just figured that out because of this post. I've been seeing it for months but just made the connection!
edit on 6-8-2018 by links234 because: Extra.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: links234

Lol... ats is nothing but buttery males since 2016.

It's all they talk about. Buttery males.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 12:14 AM
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The actual law is 52 USC §30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals. It reads as follows:

(a) Prohibition
    It shall be unlawful for-
      (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
        (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

        (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

        (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
      (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) "Foreign national" defined
    As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-
      (1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

      (2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.

Hillary Clinton is guilty of violating 52 USC §30121 by purposely hiring Russian nationals through legal organizations to retrieve information on Trump, and by paying for it... that establishes a value. Donald Trump is not guilty of violating 52 USC §30121 because he did not receive nor agree to receive anything of value. Donald Trump Jr. is not guilty of violating 52 USC §30121 because he did not receive nor agree to receive anything of value. All he did was agree to meet with an unknown person to supposedly discuss political information on Clinton, but such information was not available. The meeting was a ruse to discuss Russian adoptions, which Donald Trump Jr. had no interest in and no ability to effect in any case.

I know that Trump just has to be guilty of something... he has to be removed from office before he actually makes America great! We cannot have normal people electing folks that are not approved! Such an action is completely unacceptable!

Well, too bad. We the people elected Donald John Trump as the 45th President of the United States. And we also elected mostly Republicans to the Congress. We're also watching you tell us we are not to vote for who we like... now sit back and watch what we the people say about that, about trying to determine our vote for us, come November.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

What an ignorant statement,of course the head of a government would communicate with the head of another,this is common sense,you liberals do not possess any



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Oh. I thought you were talking about hillary, since its well documented that she paid a foreign agent for information used to influence an election, as opposes to your "evidence" of trump. We still dont know what that might be. Another informed voter, everyone!



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: links234

Funny how there mutliple posts pointing out the HRC/DNC/FBI info, and you just completely ignore it in favor of "but MAYBE your guy did the same thing?" Do you realize you sound like an absolutely dip# to anyone outside of your preciois echo chamber? Or is that simply enough for you to feel somehow accomplished... because, really, it's rather Trump-like. But congrats on your trophy for reading CNN bullet points!



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

So is it ok for an American citizen to collude with adversarial governments??? - Yea, no worries, provided you are high enough up the ladder that you have joined the big boys club.

Besides, those who do collude with adversarial governments, are members of that club an't they?



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 03:25 AM
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Dude hit and runs, people take the bait and run with it. Good job.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:31 AM
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So is it ok for an American citizen to collude with adversarial governments?


No! It's not, for lack of a better term it's called "TREASON" as they sought to undermine our institutions with the help of foreigners.
edit on 7-8-2018 by Spider879 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Meeting with Russian agents to coordinate leaking stolen US government documents meant to discredit your political opponent for the purpose of installing Russia’s candidate of choice..

You know..

Exactly what trump did.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

Actually, she had more than two. And we have known that for a very long time. It was in reports, and Comey mentioned it in his July 2016 press conference when he let her off the hook.


I have so far used the singular term, “e-mail server,” in describing the referral that began our investigation. It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain.


Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

Depends if you mean the layman’s term treason or legal treason..

Layman’s term, yes..

Legal treason that carries the death penalty requires a war and you helping that nation you are at war with..



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:49 AM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

Blah blah blah blah blah..


When in American history has a senator or other political big wig been prosecuted for a procedural error???

Never, ever ever..


“Lock her up” atleast over having her own server, something that everyone knew she had, was propaganda meant for stupid people..

She was never even gonna be charged.. even trump’s own IG report admitted she should never have been charged..

That doesn’t stop trump from continuing to lie about it..

But it was always nonsense.



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

No they are claiming that trump and crew worked with the Russian government to coordinate leaking stolen government documents to help the Russians install their candidate of choice..

Big difference..
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posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:00 AM
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a reply to: angeldoll

Not if they say it was ok for trump to do it...



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: DJMSN

A) hillary paid fusion gps, an American company, then fusion gps worked with Steele.


B) Hillary/the DNC openly reported they were working with fusion gps.. which any candidate is by law required to do..

C) fusion GPS did not release stolen US government documents at the behest of hillary Clinton.


There is no comparison..

It is all more of trump’s infantile deflections “I know you are but what am I”..

It is propaganda meant for stupid people..

Propaganda that is debunked with even the slightest bit of knowledge of the situation.
edit on 7-8-2018 by JoshuaCox because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 7 2018 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Install their choice candidate in the US..

Obviously..



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