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originally posted by: DexterRiley
a reply to: chr0naut
OK, so you think that an attempt to disarm the general population in the US would cost the lives of many.
Here's an interesting link: Gun Control in Australia, Updated - FactCheck.org.
But the lives of many are already being lost, at increasing rates over 10,000 per year, and that doesn't include all the non-fatal gun injuries. That's like the full capacity of a mid sized indoor stadium wiped out, every year.
More US citizens have died by shootings inside the US, than all the deaths of US soldiers in all wars. It's like a massive war of attrition invasion was going on, except that it is US citizens killing themselves and each other.
I'll readily acknowledge that we have a problem. There's no doubt about that. But, as I see it, there's just not the political will to do much about it right now.
Perhaps if the general public realized the actual and relentless toll of gun deaths, the will of the people (as opposed to gun lobbyists) would drive government policy (hint, in current news there is outcry against the mayor of Chicago because of the rise in shootings there).
While I respect your opinion, I'm not sure that the gun lobby is the only driving force in our lack of gun control legislation. There is a substantial portion of our citizenry that takes their 2nd Amendment rights very seriously. And even without organizations like the NRA they are politically active and wield significant political power.
At some stage, the people are going to say "enough is enough". It will be the will of the people.
I won't argue that point either. If, and when, that happens, then there will be enough political impetus to actually take some action to attempt to control firearms. However, given the makeup of our Supreme Court, it's likely that some parts of any gun control legislation will be deemed unconstitutional. So, even if our view of gun control were to change tomorrow, it will take at least another generation before anything substantial can be done about it.
... and if it leads to civil war, then no other country in the world would stand by a US that is destroying itself.
I don't know that it would lead to a full out civil war. But there would be serious unrest. And a great many otherwise law abiding citizens would die protecting what they believe to be a God-given right.
While I acknowledge your point about the stadium full of people who die by guns each year right now, I believe that the social disturbances caused by any substantive gun control legislation (i.e., the so-called "gun grab") would have a much greater societal impact.
As far as any country standing by the US, I'm wondering how many will still be standing with us when the current administration finishes destroying every relationship we've established since the end of WWII.