Down town Portland Rally live stream.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Bone75

What secret ballot, the other voters see you voting, you have to sign in when you go to vote and show ID. If you were to stab someone they would be able to identify you when you are at the precinct. If one of those masked people killed someone, how could you identify them? If they threatened someone how would the one threatened be able to identify them to the police?

I do like the right-wing group pretending to be about free speech. If they really cared about free speech they would ignore Antifa and praise them for using their rights, but no. They are only there to create conflict. Why else would a right-wing militia group bus people to downtown Portland for a protest?

Antifa is nothing more than a bully group. That is not freedom of speech, that is a bunch of pushy jerks trying to shove their beliefs down others throats. The same is true about some of the far right groups, they actually go out to meet antifa like dogs in a dog fight. The problem is that those people who are just off to the right and off to the left are pulled into the conflict and the chaos increases in size. These kind of groups are just trying to start trouble, they try to create more people like themselves, they trick people into believing civil unrest is necessary to accomplish anything. Peaceful protesting is good for society as long as it does not intimidate people or make them too uneasy in the area. I have seen lots of good protests over the years, trying to fix injustices. I have also seen just as many chaotic stupid protests meant to stir people to do things that were not good for society. Many of the protests are designed to give some people more rights than the rest just because they are a minority. We all have equal rights on a personal basis, when some group wants more rights than others that is not civilization, just because there are less in their group does not give them extra rights.

We have inalienable rights which are accepted worldwide and we have extra rights for our citizens as other countries set up for their citizens around the world. They are different rights, we cannot override inalienable rights of equality and give more power to a few individuals. We are created equal.

The only group I feel has some special rights here is the native Americans and that is because they have been screwed over for a very long time. It still goes on a somewhat but even back in the fifties, sixties. and seventies they were getting screwed over pretty bad around the country.

Why do we give criminals rights even though they screw over good people trying to honestly make a living. Because often people make mistakes and learn from them, so they do get some restrictions but still our system allows for reform.

Illegal immigrants do not have all the rights of citizens in our country, they do not have the right to bear arms, not even a person applying for citizenship has the right to bear arms till they are citizens.

a reply to: Pyle

So you are for groups like Antifa suppressing the rights of others.

Not surprised.

Not surprised at all.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Antifa is nothing more than a bully group.

That is the story line that the right wing wants to be adopted, but as usual with the right wing, it is largely false. Antifa is a group who is opposed - violently if need be - to fascistic, white supremacist, oppressive groups.

Historically, it has happened multiple times that the current RWNJs of the time do their marches and speeches, and the decent people of the area tried the "ignore them and they'll go away" tactic. That did not work. These groups are like cockroaches... they start out few in number but when ignored they continue to grow and expand, by manipulating the truth and fear, until they become a big problem.

Anti-fascist groups, particularly in Europe, have been around for many decades, notably in Italy, against Mussolini, and in Germany, against Hitler. In the postwar period, antifa groups resurged to fight neo-Nazi groups, particularly in Germany. In the U.S., the anti-fascist movements grew out of leftist politics of the late '80s, primarily under the umbrella of Anti-Racist Action.

Source

Antifa is un-apologetically violent when the need arises, when it comes to resisting fascist groups. This has its origins in history where early antifa groups took to the streets to battle - violently when necessary - fascist groups who were attacking various groups - Jews, Italians, Germans, etc.

Antifa is merely the left-leaning response to right-wing extremist groups, in the US and elsewhere.

It is difficult to find a more or less objective history of antifa, because they are often made up of self-described socialists or communists or labor organizations, and the right-wing propaganda machine has done its usual excellent job of distorting the truth, and making these groups into big scary boogie-men. But the reality of antifa is that they are merely responding with violence to violence. Which may or may not be the best approach, but it is often justifiable.

And yeah, I'm sure the usual suspects will be foaming at the mouth now, and saying I support the suppression of free speech or some such nonsense. Blah blah blah yada yada, all of those shrieks of indignation will be ignored.

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic I watched one of Antifa's meetings in a video. The article you listed is nothing like how the members of that group were acting. Antifa is not a good organization, just because some of their issues they are protesting are true does not mean their methods are right.

I am never going to agree with their methods and I am not ever going to approve of white Supremacist groups actions either. I do not have to choose sides when both sides are wrong about a lot of things. Just because a few of their concerns are legit does not mean that they justify the wrong they are doing.

Maybe you are a fool, but I am not foolish enough to support the actions of this group. It is bad for society, causing more people to take a stance against their legitimate causes than it helps their cause. It is a group that promotes negativity instead of bringing our society together to work things out.

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Don't run interference for these domestic terrorists...
They use violence to further there political ideology. Don't give me this fighting fascism crap either, because if you actually go by the definitions of the words you use. ANTIFA are the fascist terrorists. They employ the same tactics. Mainly because most are noodle armed millennials residing in their parents basements who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. So they employ weapons and tactics like throwing explosives in a crowd or hitting people with a bike lock in their polo sock. Bunch of ******* if you ask me...

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Hey thanks for the unbiased rundown of what Antifa is; its refreshing to see people trying to be unbiased when it comes to groups likes these.

So according to your post Antifa is un-apologetically violent left-leaning group that finds its place as the extream response to right-wing extremist groups, in the US and elsewhere.

So I do have to ask how is that much better then calling them a bully group? Unless your argument is that its "ok" to be un-apologetically violent if your ideology is left leaning?

originally posted by: kyosuke
a reply to: Pyle

How do you ignore Antifa? They show up armed intending to harm people, and always do without fail. Whether you agree with the group protesting or not, they are not the ones bringing the violence.

Your statement should read, "I do like how Antifa is pretending to be anti-fascist. If they really cared about stopping fascism, then they would stop acting like fascists. They are only there to create conflict. Why else would antifa go to Portland to protest the protestors who have a permit, and assembled peaceffully?"

Patriot Prayer isnt about free speech its about being just enough of racist bigots to draw out groups like Antifa to counter protest. Then all it takes is a few instigator plants and bam you have anti-antifa propaganda and the right-wing assholes looking like victims. Isnt it odd how every single one of their "protests" end this same way?

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

So Milo was an abusive, oppressive fascist that needed to be shut down, and all the common folks that showed up (including women) needed to be maced, beaten with fists and "flags" (carefully crafted covert billyclubs), and the surrounding area needed to be trashed and burned down?

Your entire narrative is BS face saving damage control.

"Antifa", here in the US, the ones we've been seeing all the sudden out of no where from coast to coast since the moment Trump won, is pissed off militant crybaby SJW's, that found a mask they could finally wear to go around hurting people, plain and simple.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss




Antifa was created to punish people for not voting for Hillary.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: kyosuke
a reply to: Pyle

How do you ignore Antifa? They show up armed intending to harm people, and always do without fail. Whether you agree with the group protesting or not, they are not the ones bringing the violence.

Your statement should read, "I do like how Antifa is pretending to be anti-fascist. If they really cared about stopping fascism, then they would stop acting like fascists. They are only there to create conflict. Why else would antifa go to Portland to protest the protestors who have a permit, and assembled peaceffully?"

Patriot Prayer isnt about free speech its about being just enough of racist bigots to draw out groups like Antifa to counter protest. Then all it takes is a few instigator plants and bam you have anti-antifa propaganda and the right-wing assholes looking like victims. Isnt it odd how every single one of their "protests" end this same way?

Or they could just control themselves and peacefully counter protest.


Or just ignore Patriots Prayer.

Just saying, you make it sound like antifa is some rabid dog "what did you expect?".