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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Hellmutt
Otherwise we would have to accept that they are going around and hunting people with down syndrome. Is that what you are proposing? Because that’s what it sounds like in your OP.
It is a tragedy but those kind of things happen
Jeg satt i en stol i hagen og snakket i telefonen. Da kom gutten med Downs syndrom. Han hadde med seg en lekepistol. Jeg så at det var et lekevåpen, og at det ikke var ekte, sier Moohialdrin Ali Al Surmi (30) til Expressen fredag.
Da 30-åringen prøvde å fortelle politiet om Erics tilstand, hevder han at han fikk en pistol rettet mot seg.
– Jeg ble lei meg på hans vegne og prøvde å prate med politiet og forklare hans mentale tilstand, men de ga meg ingen sjanse og rettet bare en pistol mot ansiktet mitt. Jeg ble forvirret og forstod ikke hva som skjedde, sier han til Expressen, og legger til:
– Politiet rettet pistolen mot meg, så jeg hevet hendene mine. Da senket politiet pistolen og jeg senket hendene. Det var det som skjedde og det jeg så. Jeg ville forsvare han, jeg er sikker på at han bare ville leke og at politiet hadde gjort en feil.
I was sitting in a chair in the garden talking on the phone. Then the boy came with Down's syndrome. He brought a toy gun. I saw that it was a toy and that it was not real, "said Moohialdrin Ali Al Surmi (30) to Expressen Friday.
When the 30-year-old tried to tell the police about Eric's condition, he claimed he had a gun aimed at him.
"I felt sorry for him and tried to talk to the police and explain his mental condition, but they gave me no chance and just directed a gun to my face. I was confused and did not understand what was happening, he says to Expressen, adding:
The police directed the gun against me, so I raised my hands. Then the police lowered the gun and I lowered my hands. That was what happened and what I saw. I would defend him, I'm sure he would just play and that the police had made a mistake.
Some people are blaming his parents for giving him a plastic replica of a submachine gun
Locals disagree, insisting that police don't resort to outright murdering people who are holding firearms without attempting to talk them down:
Not in Scandinavia. Normally our police talk people down even with real guns. This is unacceptable and unprofessional.
Everyone is equal.
The police would of took the same approach to anyone else.
You can’t risk other peoples lives for thinking “Maybe he has a disability”
This was the sixth person to be shot dead by Swedish police this year. This is a new high, never before have so many people been shot dead by Swedish police in one year.
So no, people in general don’t expect to be shot dead by police in Sweden.
Were really gonna blame the gift giver and a genetically different human before saying that the trained police officer should’ve done his job better? These people have so much power and not a single person is checking them.
12 April 2019
One of the officers will be charged for involuntary manslaughter while the other two face charges for breach of official duty, the prosecutor confirmed on Friday morning.
"One officer will be prosecuted for causing another person's death, alternatively breach of official duty, and two will be prosecuted for breach of official duty," prosecutor Martin Tidén told a press conference.
Torell's mother, Katarina Söderberg, said she was satisfied with the decision to prosecute the officers.
"I feel extremely relieved after this decision. I tried to steel myself in case it had been different, but now it feels good. Because now we can finally find out what happened and how it could have gone so wrong," Söderberg told the TT newswire.
She said that she hadn't received any communication from police since her son's death.
Eric Torell, who had the mental age of a three-year-old, died in a hail of bullets after sneaking out of his home in Stockholm in the middle of the night to play.
Police fired 25 shots at Torell in a residential courtyard, believing a toy pistol he was carrying was a real weapon.
Torell was hit three times. Two of the shots, including the one that killed him, hit him in the back.
"I have decided that the police who have been charged for the shooting did not follow the procedures they should have done and had they done so, they would have realised that Eric [the victim] was not a threat," prosecutor Martin Tiden told a press conference on Friday (April 12).
Two officers were charged with misconduct and one with causing another person's death.
Tiden said the police were justified in opening fire at Torell, who did not respond when asked to put down his gun, but that they should have stopped firing when Torell turned away from them.
Sweden's National Police Commissioner Anders Thornberg has asked the government to review the rules surrounding the use of firearms.
The prosecutor had argued that the 23 first shots fired were within the legal framework of what is usually referred to as imagined self-defence. But the last two shots came after Torell had turned his back on the officers, which meant that the right to self-defence at that point ceased to apply, argued the prosecutor.
However, Stockholm District Court found that it had not been proven which of the gunshots were strictly speaking legal and which were not.
"The prosecutor has based his argument on the fact that 23 shots were OK, but not these last two. But neither the medical not the forensic evidence shows that these were in fact the last two shots. They may as well have been shots number 15 or 16," court president Erik Lindberg told the TT newswire.
The court said that the investigation had failed to prove Torell's exact movements or position when he was hit. It also said it was not reasonable to expect that the police officers should have stopped and evaluated the impact of the shots during an incident that may have happened in less than three seconds. The violence used was also not considered to have been "obviously indefensible".