The Number Of Americans Living In Their Vehicles “Explodes”

a reply to: luthier

Your right....but their psychologically programmed to consume.

Its the nature of our crazy radical materialistic civilization.

Apple now is a TRILLION dollar company!

We're addicted to consumption without understanding or moderation.

A lot of people are living in their offices or studios. When I had an office downtown, the building had all the amenities of home and many of my contemporaries just stayed there; Granted it was an entertainment complex with even a gym and lounge, a work related community on site. Basically an inner city commune for millineals.

a reply to: Edumakated

Functioning adults who live in high cost areas have room mates or move to other areas that aren't as expensive. They rarely live in their cars or homeless shelters.

Who’s to say? You?? You also said you’d live in an airstream, nothwithstanding having a family — I digress till later, though.

Just as you said, you’d live in an airstream: who is to say these people aren’t like you and favor living in a vehicle as opposed to with other people, their belongings, whatnot etc.?

You made the unequivocal assertion that Opioids are a more likely cause than home prices.

Who knows, maybe people living in airstreams will be next the segment of American junkies?

Could this have anything to do with the rapid increase in population--and subsequent acute housing shortage--due to immigration?

I see a lot of arguments being made but no one is actually using data to make their argument

the problem is when you actually look at the real economic data it paints a different story than what the media says and it goes against the Trump narrative and some of you can't handle that and the other side of the argument refuses to look at data and except it's reality because a lot of the data also suggest that government interference is causing the problem

so none of you want to look at the data

Just because the economy is 'doing well' doesn't mean it directly affects every city the same, Duh!

When the housing crisis hit, Austin, TX barely felt a thing. People were flocking here. Same with Omaha, NE.

You can go down the list of issues and name different cities being affected. Don't fall victim to semantics and application.

Is homelessness a big problem, yes. Does it mean the economy ISN'T doing well, no.

But, instead of diving into the details & reality, why don't we just read an article, get triggered and lay blame at the doorstep of inaccuracy.

Deny Ignorance - RIP!

It's your own choices.
America chooses to be a non-socialistic country.
Then this is what you get!

Example:
I'm poor as hell. I do not even get more then 12000$ a year for income.
Still: I get to live in a 150ft appartment (one bedroom) made of concrete.
...and (most importantly): I can afford that whatever happens.

So maybey, just maybey:
It's time to start making choices.
If you want a society where everybody gets to live in a decent affordable home:
Stop building wooden structures and invest in a bit more socialistic society.

So now that the illegal kids in cages story died out libtards are gonna blame the 'homeless' in tent cities on Trump ?

I see in the article NO numbers - For Kalipornia it states a 75% increase BUT no numbers .....

Keeping It Secret as the Family Car Becomes a Home – 2006

Experts say there are 2.1 million to 3.5 million homeless people nationally. Ms. Wakin said that the vigilance required to live in a car was one reason there tended to be fewer people who are drug addicted or mentally disabled living in their cars, compared with those living on street grates.

As you can see there are numbers from 2006 above - seems to me that with all the "sanctuary cities" that cali pushes none of this exploding would surprise me .... But Where are the Numbers ????????

a reply to: Willtell
If you are having trouble finding a job in this economy, you are doing it wrong. Just in my tiny area alone, there are jobs available and help wanted signs up everywhere. There are some road blocks in place in that most of the good jobs require you to not be on drugs and MJ, being still illegal here, will kill your chances, but if you really need a job, stopping that vice might net you a fine work environment.

Maybe things are different elsewhere, but here, it's going in the correct direction.

originally posted by: six67seven
Just because the economy is 'doing well' doesn't mean it directly affects every city the same, Duh!

When the housing crisis hit, Austin, TX barely felt a thing. People were flocking here. Same with Omaha, NE.

You can go down the list of issues and name different cities being affected. Don't fall victim to semantics and application.

Is homelessness a big problem, yes. Does it mean the economy ISN'T doing well, no.

But, instead of diving into the details & reality, why don't we just read an article, get triggered and lay blame at the doorstep of inaccuracy.

Deny Ignorance - RIP!

Austin certainly felt it. It may not be as bad but I was a carpenter there at the time and we all felt it. People in Austin still had variable rate loans and still hurt architects and contractors. The loan process was also severely hampered for years.

Yeah a 100 people moving in a day helps but it doesn't stop things like underwriters from rejecting loan applications.

originally posted by: toysforadults
I see a lot of arguments being made but no one is actually using data to make their argument

the problem is when you actually look at the real economic data it paints a different story than what the media says and it goes against the Trump narrative and some of you can't handle that and the other side of the argument refuses to look at data and except it's reality because a lot of the data also suggest that government interference is causing the problem

so none of you want to look at the data

What data?

You first.

Actually, you second — I’ve already linked verifiable data in this thread.

Additionally, the government interference data should be the easiest to find and digest, so what interference is occurring? And please elucidate us with this data “none of u want to look at...”. Should be easy cause you definitely have combed through it and collated it based on demographics and locale, no? That’s what I thought.

a reply to: network dude

Finding a job that can pay for your family and use your skill set is not the same as having a landscaping job or working in a hardware store.

originally posted by: toysforadults
I see a lot of arguments being made but no one is actually using data to make their argument

the problem is when you actually look at the real economic data it paints a different story than what the media says and it goes against the Trump narrative and some of you can't handle that and the other side of the argument refuses to look at data and except it's reality because a lot of the data also suggest that government interference is causing the problem

so none of you want to look at the data

There is plenty of data... the issue is interpreting it. This is usually the hardest part with these debates as some of us are better at interpeting data than others.

As someone else stated, you can say 50% increase in something and some people here will take that as proof of whatever is being claimed. On the other hand, some of us will want more info on the dataset. Going from 10 incidents to 15 incidents is a 50% increase, but hardly means the incidents overall are a crisis.

Some of us also want to look at other underlying issues that may not necessarily show up quantitatively, but qualitatively from observation... i.e., drug issues.

The economy isn't perfect, but this fake meme that there are hordes of adults living in tents/cars solely because of housing prices or the "economy" is bunk. This is why I said FUNCTIONING adults.

Yes, there are tent cities. Yes, there are some people who live in their cars. However, when you look at what is going on, 99% of the people are not functioning. They are drug addicts. They have mental problems.

There aren't any Google coders or Facebook folks living in their cars because they have no other options...

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

The data that shows our debt is at 78 percent of the gdp.

a reply to: Edumakated

how about the data that suggest that we have the highest debt to income ratio and lowest savings rate in somewhere around 100 years?

doesn't that indicate that cost are increasing?

a reply to: Willtell


Jesus said, "The poor will always be with you."

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Edumakated

how about the data that suggest that we have the highest debt to income ratio and lowest savings rate in somewhere around 100 years?

doesn't that indicate that cost are increasing?

It could indicate poor spending by consumers since the interest rates are still so artificially low.

a reply to: luthier

That's why apartment complexes and condo communities popped up everywhere.

The point I was making is that the OP is a knee-jerk reaction. It fits into a certain narrative but when you dive into the details, it doesn't hold water. It's just more misdirected blame game.

There are dozens of actual factors that play significant roles in the homelessness crisis.... the OP is trying to convince people the economy isn't doing well because people are sleeping in their cars...

The author of the actual article apparently couldn't even find a photo of someone living out of their car, and instead used a photo of a dad and his infant son sleeping in the back seat on an apparent road trip. But hey, car-houses are exploding!!! So let's all lose our minds!

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: BeefNoMeat

The data that shows our debt is at 78 percent of the gdp.

I think it shows it’s higher than that — ~105% in one the last couple years.

And the historical debt-to-GDP ratio/percentage is like 60-70%, so if your inference is that the government interference data (in the form of debt-to-GDP) would show a correlation in car home occupancy, I’m calling that out and saying you’re flatly wrong. If you’re not saying anything at all, but instead, reading another poster’s mind and answer correctly for them, then keep on, keeping on — you’ve got a bright future on anonymous Internet forums