The Number Of Americans Living In Their Vehicles “Explodes”

originally posted by: Blaine91555
...and yet, they are the only members of society who are indispensable.

Not true at all. How effective would those blue collar workers be if management wasn't keeping them in line and focused/coordinated/working?

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Blaine91555

Blue collar workers have never had it good.

...and yet, they are the only members of society who are indispensable.

The least important workers in our society are government. They produce nothing, they take what they need from those who do produce and yet they have all the power. A government by the people, for the people has always been a myth. The only essential services government provides are infrastructure, protection and the rule of law.

Housing prices and property appraisals are a man made illusion to keep each class in its place.

The child of a wealthy family falls on hard times, they simply move in with mom, dad or a sibling and nobody thinks anything bad of them for it. A person without that kind of safety net falls on hard times, they are scorned and no matter the cause it's always their own fault, which is a lie and absurd on its face and yet we being the tribal animals we are, eat it up. We turn on our own, drive them out and then blame them when they fall apart or turn to self medicating or unsavory life styles. We drive many into homelessness. We toss out the mentally ill into the streets and then wonder why they do the things they do.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

...and yet, they are the only members of society who are indispensable.

The least important workers in our society are government. They produce nothing, they take what they need from those who do produce and yet they have all the power. A government by the people, for the people has always been a myth. The only essential services government provides are infrastructure, protection and the rule of law.

Housing prices and property appraisals are a man made illusion to keep each class in its place.

The child of a wealthy family falls on hard times, they simply move in with mom, dad or a sibling and nobody thinks anything bad of them for it. A person without that kind of safety net falls on hard times, they are scorned and no matter the cause it's always their own fault, which is a lie and absurd on its face and yet we being the tribal animals we are, eat it up. We turn on our own, drive them out and then blame them when they fall apart or turn to self medicating or unsavory life styles. We drive many into homelessness. We toss out the mentally ill into the streets and then wonder why they do the things they do.

originally posted by: toysforadults

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a reply to: Blaine91555

That needed to be said...Thanks!!

a reply to: Aazadan

Good, let's see you manage your way out of major plumbing, electrical or a/c issue. All three trades are self directed positions not directly under thumb of idiotic degree holders who can't fart without a statistics lie and liars use statisistics spreadsheet analysis as a replacement for decision making.

a reply to: Phoenix

Those AC repairmen wouldn't have a job if not for someone bothering to use their education and invent air conditioning.

Were still a primitive civilization as long as we have people starving to death, living on the edge in their cars and on the street, mental institutions and jails

Wars, pollution, crime, unnecessary disease, and all these self-induced plaques and misery that are from our primitive brain

What is wrong with us we don’t help each other? We don't produce a civilization that cares for all and everybody

a reply to: Willtell

Come up with a better idea and fix it. I've got ideas, I want to try them. But the political capital to do so only comes from runaway success in other areas in life first.

a reply to: Willtell

Homelessness in LA is on the rise, yes.

Edit to add:
As the source stated, the west coast is sinking fast. IMO, That would explain the mass middle class exodus from west coast urban centers.

Saying that the west coast is somehow representative of the country as a whole is arrogant. Especially when basing it off the metric of silicone valleys success or the film industries earnings, or such.

That "micro state" economy needs to "break away" for the bad as well as the good when dealing with their own fiscal irresponsibility, and as a consequence their endless gorging of the middle class like cash cows to stay afloat.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Willtell

Come up with a better idea and fix it. I've got ideas, I want to try them. But the political capital to do so only comes from runaway success in other areas in life first.

The fix is in. Some kind of universal mass understanding, insight in that which was veiled from us.

It has to come from inside us, through the outside.

When that light comes many of us will feel bad, guilty and some resolved to finally discard the madness and accept the goodness and propagate it universally.


Weapons of mass destruction, and the murder of our children in crazy wars, and crime, and bad parenting, all evils humans will eradicate after we see the light.

Or else

The premise is simple, on the lower level of this problem, we are being squeezed into a narrow edge of dependent poverty where there’s never any room for change or the return to progress as we were doing after WWII.

But the point is we were evolving to a leisurely, massive wealthy and successful society for all. We were contemplating or hoping to evolve to a 6 hour work week and a 4 day a week work schedule, retiring at 55 or 60 and having eliminated poverty. Healthy robust benefits and a reasonable sharing of the wealth was forming in the macroeconomic ecosystem.

Until...in the 70's and 80's...

At certain levels of our wealthy and influential corporate power structure, many of them weren't happy about the general progress of the economic system. I did a thread on this about the backlash to the generally positive economic system that existed then for all by certain corporate interests that have always been against the general progress we were having after WWII.

It was the infamous Powell Memo of the soon to be Supreme court member Lewis Powell that sparked a severe backlash against the social and economic progress the small and ordinary Americans were having.

The Powell Memo did not become available to the public until long after his confirmation to the Court. It was leaked to Jack Anderson, a liberal syndicated columnist, who stirred interest in the document when he cited it as reason to doubt Powell’s legal objectivity. Anderson cautioned that Powell “might use his position on the Supreme Court to put his ideas into practice…in behalf of business interests.” Though Powell’s memo was not the sole influence, the Chamber and corporate activists took his advice to heart and began building a powerful array of institutions designed to shift public attitudes and beliefs over the course of years and decades. The memo influenced or inspired the creation of the Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the Cato Institute, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Accuracy in Academe, and other powerful organizations. Their long-term focus began paying off handsomely in the 1980s, in coordination with the Reagan Administration’s “hands-off business” philosophy. Most notable about these institutions was their focus on education, shifting values, and movement-building — a focus we share, though often with sharply contrasting goals.* (See our endnote for more on this.)

reclaimdemocracy.org...

The key to this was taxes. The rich and super rich were taxed after WWII at a level that allowed for massive economic progress, something that went out the window after Ronald Reagan massively cut taxes on the rich in 1981 and initiated the infamous, unworkable trickle-down economic theory.

Since that we've been imploding economically and the great growth and sharing of the wealth were completely stopped.

A permanent inflationary economy where corporate institutions are extorting the politicians to allow their personal business interests to prosper to the detriment of the macroeconomic benefit to the countries citizens.

Just ask yourself this. Why do the politicians allow the healthcare system, Hospitals, Doctors, pharmaceutical industry, related biotech industry etc... get so economically out of control?

Or any of the massive inflationary industries where ALL that inflation does is MAKE A FEW PEOPLE MASSIVELY WEALTHY!!!!


...And we the ordinary people have to pay massive inflationary prices for things like health care, home, rental, and now education has gone to inflationary hell for our young people.

There's no cosmic law saying the health care system has to be so expensive there has to be a greedy predatory insurance industry to support it. Yet the politicians, bribed to the gullet allow this madness.

They call it capitalism

I CALL IT SLAVERY!!!!

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Phoenix

Those AC repairmen wouldn't have a job if not for someone bothering to use their education and invent air conditioning.

Still doesn't do you or many others any good as modern degree holders in general (not all) are helpless as babies when presented with practical problems requiring hands on work.

My real point is some are better at theoretical applications and some are better at practical applications - neither being any more intelligent than the other when it comes to specific tasks.

I know many in trades that make well over six figures and I also know many degreed engineers who make far less than six figures.

In either case no one has an excuse not to make a living but many do just that rather than find thier individual talents.

You seemed to suggest some idea that management is a panacea to the plebs making a living - hogwash.

My experience is management, especially newly minted degree holders usually screw up more good companies than they benefit by attempting to make a mark - it's usually a skid mark!

a reply to: Willtell

I usually find it hard to agree on anything you usually post.............

But in the main I agree with most of this post I'm responding to.

While we might argue solutions you have certainly identified the problem.

Regained control of states attorney generals to serve public interest and applying long existing laws would go a long way - the laws to fix much are there, we don't need new ones - just use what's already there.

Then we can talk taxes but think moot point were existing law fully utilized and some went to jail or have fortunes confiscated under those laws.

a reply to: Aazadan

$299 a month?! For a house?

You can barely pay for a car with that.

a reply to: Phoenix

Good, but the problem right now is the systemic extortion of the political class.

That has to be broken, somehow, if not, we won't get anything solved.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Phoenix

Those AC repairmen wouldn't have a job if not for someone bothering to use their education and invent air conditioning.

How do you think Einstein did at school?

a reply to: Willtell

So lets say we get this global mass awakening. You still need thousands of politicians elected to office with those views to change the laws everywhere and people to organize that movement. If everyone just waits for an awakening that doesn't leave any structure in place to actually do it.

originally posted by: Willtell
They call it capitalism

I CALL IT SLAVERY!!!!

So how are you going to fix it?

originally posted by: nOraKat
a reply to: Aazadan

$299 a month?! For a house?

You can barely pay for a car with that.

Correct. That means you're either underpaid, your house is more than you can afford, or both.

For reference, your car should also take no more than 5% of income (8% of income on transportation is recommended, so 5% car, other 3% on maintenance, gas, etc). Though, unlike with a house, it makes little sense to make multiple payments per month on a car.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
How do you think Einstein did at school?

Quite well actually. It's a myth that he was a C student.

But, even if he was, grades are pretty much irrelevant... it's what you learn, not what grade you earn that matters and what you learn is mostly indicated by how you apply that knowledge in the future which isn't testable.