Any Advice for Helping an Alcoholic?

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: one4all
Sounds like a lot of woo pseudo-science to me, where did you get all this parasite information from?
I was alcoholic heavy drinking for decades (functioning,job etc), and I gave up cold turkey. The only 'sickness' I felt was during the period of withdrawal syptoms. Once they stopped I never felt better.
How come my 'parasites' didn't make me sick afterwards then?

You aren't immune to parasites no one is...if you are ignorant of your relationship then you are what I call a Parasite Hotel.....lol...carry on as you will....your parasites make you sick every singe day of your life...and as I said NO ONE IS IMMUNE....lol...every living creature on the planet has a parasitic relationship...those withdrawel symptoms were really you being RECOLONISED BY PARASITES...and ...lol...a LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL PRETTY GOOD carting around a boatload of bugs in their bellyhat is unti they encounter one of the deadly or crippeling diseases catalysed by this relationship ....lol...its a free Country....lol...do as you shall.

a reply to: one4all
So I respectfully ask again where did you get all this parasite information from?
This is a serious thread so I am treating it as such.

a reply to: Boadicea

Better substitutes. St. John's Wort and Amanita Muscaria tinct., Thyme.
I'd say San Pedro microdosing too but only in theory because of the lack of personal experience.

And religion.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: one4all
So I respectfully ask again where did you get all this parasite information from?
This is a serious thread so I am treating it as such.

Mostly life experience supported by the work of Hulda Clark and Royal Rife amongst many others....common logic...animal husbandry...its not rocket science....obviously all the people who claim to have improvements from this topic aren't telling lies so peer consideration is also a big factor in how I see things......if you are asking for a book outlining the entire topic from top to bottom there is no formally published book available that I know of.I am not a doctor nor a natural herbalist nor any kind of practitioner I am just another internet surfer.Everything people do that concerns their health should be done in consultation with their medical doctor.

originally posted by: one4all
I am not a doctor nor a natural herbalist nor any kind of practitioner I am just another internet surfer.Everything people do that concerns their health should be done in consultation with their medical doctor.

Yes, that is self evident, a medical doctor would better advise me than the two quacks you mentioned as your inspiration.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: one4all
I am not a doctor nor a natural herbalist nor any kind of practitioner I am just another internet surfer.Everything people do that concerns their health should be done in consultation with their medical doctor.

Yes, that is self evident, a medical doctor would better advise me than the two quacks you mentioned as your inspiration.

As you wish...its your dime.. to bugs in your tummy.....

I'm a recovering alcoholic and a member of AA. The reason I post is I believe it is important that you gather factual information on the disease of alcoholism/addiction.
Getting this information should be gathered from an addiction specialist/ recovery program.

Most good programs-
-Have certified doctors to help the addict through proper medical detox. Alcohol is the most dangerous to detox from and could lead to death.
-helping them build knowledge on the physiology and the psychology behind why when we use a drug( alcohol is a drug) it is immediately addictive.
-Understanding how alcohol hijacks the brain's cortex and limbic systems functions.
-understanding withdraw symptoms and post acute withdraw symptoms, which could last for up to a year.
-The roles of the addict in recovery and your role, someone supporting the addict through recovery. They are different paths that can lead to the same finish line in time.

Alcoholics Anonymous and for you Alanon-

Is a fantastic tool for continued sobriety and support. Most certified recovery programs recommend 12 step group such as AA, NA, Alanon etc. Unfortunately they don't dive into a lot of what I previously mentioned. You may find a few people within the program that will discuss those topics but usually not in meetings. The support and fellowship gained is why I continue to go to AA. One alcoholic helping another is the main objective. Working with a sponsor truly helps to solidify a path.

Opinion-
As an Alcoholic I will never understand what it is like to be a non alcoholic and vise versa. Trust me my wife and I have sat down and had good conversations about this and end up laughing at each other all the time at the vast differences in perception, physical reaction and psychological impact that alcoholism has played in our lives. She goes to Alanon I go to AA. Notice I said our lives. Codependency plays a huge role in family's and friends of alcoholics (which I read in the OP). All parties have to want to heal. If one party feels there not involved then the other party must go there own way no matter how much it hurts.

There was one book that flipped a switch in my head that AA couldn't do. It was “Under the Influence” written by James Robert Milam. It is like the doctors opinion in The Big Book of AA but on steroids times 100. I was in and out of AA for 20 years burning my life to the ground then rebuilding it over and over. DUI’s, prison, suicide attempts etc. I friend from AA, whom is my sponsor now, gave me this book. It's not sanctioned reading but he saw I needed answers that was not getting in AA. I wanted to stop the cycle but couldn't. I read this book, then checked into a detox facility and went to a structured rehab program in conjunction with AA.

Something I had to realize is I have the same problems as everyone else in the world, I go through the same emotional rollercoaster everyone else does, I've loved and lost, buried friends and family, I'm not morally corrupt when I don't use, except….. I can't go home and have a beer to unwind. One drink leads to me waking up sometimes years later trying to piece together the past and what just happened. That is what alcohol and drugs do to an addict.

Everyone has their own path.

Lol did u really say he is an alcoholic because he is of Navajo descent? Hahahaha wtf kind of racist ignorant statement is that?

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Just to clarify: I'm sober for more than 5 years now again. I had the relapse for a year (after 7 years sober) and then had the detox episode and have been sober since. More than 5 years ago....

Just wanted to clarify that, as your reply seemed to think I was still trying to quit. 😊

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: KansasGirl

Wow! Good for you! That's one hell of a tale! My hat is off to ya!

I can't even imagine drinking during the day, let alone in the morning (after a night of drinking)! I think that would have killed me. I was bad enough as it was.

Thanks FCD. 😊. Alcohol is wasted on you folks who use it responsibly. (Haha!)

Oh, I have some tales! What I've posted is the bare bones of my self-imposed descent into hell. One night, a friend drove me to the local ER, because he was concerned; he had been calling me with no response, and when he came to my house to check on me, he found me passed out on the floor (he didn't realize that that was a pretty regular occurrence, so in my view, no big deal). He roused me and talked me into going to the ER- I was drunk, obviously, so I didn't feel like arguing. Anyway, I walked myself in and checked myself in to that ER. My BAC was .49. Yep, you read that right. Walking and talking, with that BAC. You'd think that might encourage me to put down the booze, right? It was another 6 months before I went cold-turkey and stopped. That's the insanity of alcoholism.

a reply to: KansasGirl
Ah cool
I tried not to assume either way really, and my encouragement is always generally to anyone who has faced the dark side of alcohol addiction and withdrawal.

a reply to: KansasGirl

But that's just it...I don't.

So I don't.

I find it amazing that some of you think an intervention for an alcoholic, perhaps on the brink of death, is an asinine thing to do. I’m mainly talking about FCD here, who has on other threads ranted about obese people and how they should take better care of themselves because obesity poses such a huge health risk.

So why not a rant about alcoholics FCD ? They both abuse substance to hide and mask pain... or just enjoy getting sloshed or overeating because it feels good.

Maybe you have a drinking problem, and just don’t want to face your own demons, so instead you fat shame others under the guise of pretending you care about their health ?

You stated one example of a buddy committing suicide because of an intervention... but he could have died from alcohol abuse within years if an intervention had not been attempted.

Just a few inconsistencies I see with you FCD.. which make you look like a hypocrite.

a reply to: Sheye

Boy, you really are butt-hurt aren't you! LOL!

Take your selfish little butt-hurt ideas and go find someone who cares!

Me have a drinking problem? Yep, you bet I do (always will)! ...if you didn't guess that already. Oh, and I'm fat too!

There, feel better about yourself?

Interventions are only for the people who want to exact revenge for all their hurt and be able to say things they wouldn't say ordinarily, but for the fact there are several others saying the same thing so then they feel okay about it. It's shallow and cheap. It's gang mentality humiliation of a person for all the hurt someone ELSE feels. The "love" part is all just a ruse! They want to shame and humiliate the individual into not hurting them or anyone else anymore. They're COWARDS! And that's what cowards do, group hate on someone.

So why did you come back on this subject? Because your desire to inflict pain on someone who hurt you got rejected???

Also I noticed you were pretty proud to state that in addition to the intervention on your dad that someone also had a letter from an "attorney" stating his wife would divorce him. Bet that made you feel good to write that didn't it. Pretty smug, aren't ya? Can't let it go, can ya? Nope, you want your pound of flesh. It's not about loving the person, it's about inflicting pain on them...teaching them a "lesson", isn't it? That works for the intervenee's, but not the one being humiliated.

And why did you even reply to this? You're not attempting to help the OP, just to prove your point with me. Well guess what...it didn't work!

So, put a sock in it!

How's that for a response?

ETA - Oh, and BTW, last time I checked they don't do "interventions" on fat people!

a reply to: Boadicea

I drank for many many years, the hard stuff, until my insides started hurting. Smoke weed every night instead. You'll sleep better too and not wake up with a hang over or sitting on the toilet all day the next day. Hybrid Sativa/Indica G13 blend is the best I think. That is if you can't quit. It's just a better option for the reality of the situation. It worked for me. Plus if you want to quit smoking weed one day, all you need is a good reason, and then you're off of both. It's a gradual step down...get high, sleep well, wake up refreshed.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

The "love" part is all just a ruse! They want to shame and humiliate the individual into not hurting them or anyone else anymore. They're COWARDS! And that's what cowards do, group hate on someone.

I think you’re wrong about that. I think love plays a huge part in many interventions, and interventions come in many varieties. Even the OP reaching out for help on these forums is in some form an intervention and she did it out of love. I think it’s callous of you to say that anyone attempting to help someone they love, who is slowly killing themselves with alcohol, selfish and self righteous, or cowards.

And no, I’m not buthurt, just thought a bit more on some of the rants you have posted, and realized you can be rather hypocritical at times.

There are interventions for people with eating disorders, and yes it saved their lives.
Interventions are not a bad thing , with proper timing, and a very loving attitude , they can be that first step to better life.

a reply to: Sheye

Don't twist my words around! I am usually crystal clear in what I say.

I have said repeatedly on this thread that the OP is doing a fantastic job with her approach. You saying I'm somehow insinuating she is selfish, self righteous and a coward is a complete twisting and misstatement of what I have said. Don't even go there! That is the furthest thing from the truth.

My point (to you) was about interventions most always not being constructive if conducted by non-professionals such as family and friends.

You think interventions are good. I don't. That is my opinion, and I've stated it as my opinion. Take it for what you will.

I don't think I need to repeat anything.

Get you some dabs.

Yes go to lysergi.com and buy some 4-aco-dmt for a couple trips. Also look at the research vendor list you can find on google and find a long acting benzo research chem like clamazopene or whatever the spelling is. if you can get your hands on weed and opiates get them just make sure to moderate all of this to help you off and not get addicted to them as well. SHould onlyt be used a month at most.

I lost a brother to Alcoholism and he was only 27 years young but what a hard Liver and experiencer of life. I think this guy did everything he could possibly do along with alcohol if it was available too.

It depends on how many addictions the father of the two girls has to kick and sometimes it's a gross spiritual addiction that is really parasitic and feeding off him as what we could call demons and it's just apart of the great challenge and disease.

I think I was motivated by the movie trainspotting especially with the maybe one addiction is killing your life and family but be addicted to something, replacing the addiction with a couple few healthier alternatives, wise!
It's about finding a unique recipe because the man with two girls who still has a chance while the blood is still flowing to retrieve his life. It's about re-inventing life too because these life killers don't just happen overnight. These are long time coming complex parasitic beings of demonic or diseased natures that feast on people's lives and those around them for some sick spiritually gross food.

Stop feeding that gross disgusting food to the disease and shape up with nothing but life to gain and a whole lot to lose it seems with this father. If that takes a drop off and settling for coffee and weed oh well. That can always be sorted out later. Perhaps a pharmaceutical and really strong herbal combination of supplements to attack that anxiety and panic.
CBD, KRATOM, KAVA, GABA, HOLY BASIL will crush the symptoms along with a RiSPERDAL, DEPAKOTE or ABILIFY as a pharmaceutical

I would suggest you pack an army with severe DT's - An Army of Supplements and a Pharmaceutical or two for the meantime. There is always clean up and organize a better plan later for long term planning.

Trust Me and I also Don't eff around with these matters because I lost a brother this way when nothing else works faith and nature can but people sometimes are needing that instead of traditional groups. Thanks for considering my help and I hope he gets better daily.