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Hundreds of NC teachers are flunking math exams

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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Without seeing what the test questions are. it's hard to say anything about this really.

Even mathematically literate people struggle with common core, but we don't know how the questions on the test were written.




posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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So how dwe fix it?



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Without seeing what the test questions are. it's hard to say anything about this really.

Even mathematically literate people struggle with common core, but we don't know how the questions on the test were written.


Yep. Also the age of these teachers and what they teach. I am sure an art teacher in their 40's 50's would not have a damn clue as to how to do common core math?



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: UpIsNowDown

It's not that l, nowadays if the problem is 3 x 5 they have to show their work adding 5 together 3 times equals 15, adding 3 together 5 times equals 15 wont be accepted. Even though you have the answer and show how you arrived at the answer. I may be backwards on that, but you get the gist.
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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Yup. And as I said, I have zero experience with the educational system — this is were I lean on persons like you to put it in proper context and share real world experience



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

hell, 2/3 of my high school football team would have been disqualified.

Probably a few of the coaches, too.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Bluntone22

hell, 2/3 of my high school football team would have been disqualified.

Probably a few of the coaches, too.



My town's high school baseball coach just got busted for coke... lol.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

I know damn well that our line coach couldn't have passed a breathalyzer test.
But he was a former state champion lineman for the school so he was bulletproof.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

Are you sure you remember correctly?
In 4th class we already divide 3-4digit numbers with unreal numbers (1,6; 0,5 etc).
You just had to have enough room on the paper to cycle through the numbers.

5th class learning syntax for reading formulas and math in general and 6th using variables like x and shortening down formuls like x=1/2*((5x-4y)+(-2)*(-5y+1x)+4*7)...(just nonesense, made it up but you get the drift)
7-8th linear functions, cos sin tan
9-10 more functions, advanced geometry, exponents

And that´s not even gymnasium level.

edit: we didn´t knew they were unreal numbers but we did stuff like:

"a) You have 11 people and 111 apples. How many whole apples (without cutting) can you distribute evenly?
b) Extra Challenge: How many apples are left?"


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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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might not be popular opinion, but... I've always done math the way common core is laid out.



To this day I do all my math in my head with no work on paper, it was just the natural way for ME to do it using the methods now taught, Years of teachers yelling at me that I was doing it all wrong...



when my friends kid brought common core math home I was like "son of a bi.." apperently I went to school in the wrong era.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Bluntone22
So even if a child is capable of doing math in their head as you and did and they just wrote down the answer? NOPE! Where is your work!


Showing how you arrived to your answer has always been the case for me. Showing your work shows that you've a fundamental understanding of what you are doing.

If you arrive to the incorrect conclusion, then it's easier to see where in the process you've gone wrong. School was like that for me, and it's still like that for my son.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: schuyler

Are you sure you remember correctly?


Yes, I'm sure I remember correctly.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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As a teacher I will say this.


If your going to pay teachers # wages, your going to get # candidates.


You get what you pay for and if the USA is anything thing like the UK, the pay is mediocre and the workload heavy.

Hell the UK made me a science teacher which shows how we are scraping the barrel here. Me a teacher? I can't even spell and I was one of the top students in my PGCE year.

If the US is in the same state? Well as I said you get what you pay for.
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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

Wow, when was that? I´m extremly sure on this. I have a time-place-synesthesia organized memory and I know from my son and daughter (1994-2004 school) because I helped them out in math from start to beginning.

In 3rd class they definitly started multiplication. I don´t want to argue or offend, I´m just a bit stoked.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Bluntone22

hell, 2/3 of my high school football team would have been disqualified.

Probably a few of the coaches, too.



No doubt.

Not to completely derail, but you mentioned coaches...Mr W was the ‘trainer’ for the boys’ sports — also the away team due driver — and EVERYONE knew not to let him get your singlet, ball pants, or whatever off because Mr W would definitely fondle your Crown Jewels...and this was mid-to-late ‘90s and the administration HAD to know. Mr W taught, wait for, wait for it...English Literature.

Ok, back on topic...


ETA: Above anecdote is about an NC high school teacher. My guess is Mr W would pass the math test...
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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

I think teacher pay varies by state but here in Indiana they get paid fairly well with a guaranteed raise every year of service.
Especially when you consider the benefits that come with the job.
I think 176 school days,
Good insurance,
Pension plan,

I'm not sure I could go a whole day without killing a kid though...
The jobs not for everyone.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

I know people always mention the holidays but at least in the UK it's a false perception.

On average during term time I work 60- 80 hours a week. School for teachers is not just for when the kids are in.
We have meetings, government mandated training, databasing , marking ect

The holidays cancell to some extent that high hour workload out.

Still they did research comparing the hours and pay of a lawyer and a teacher.
The teacher came out doing more hours a year with significantly less pay.

Pay not to much of a issue with me as I made my money before I went into teaching.

BUT

It highly impacts the recruitment of specialist teachers for science and maths.

You can afford # pay for gym teachers as you have a dim a dozen.
Even English teachers can draw from a relatively large pool of recruit due to people wasting there degree getting creative arts degrees or some other BA nonsense, so go into teacher rather than selling fries.

But science and maths?

Why would a maths or science graduate work for £30,000 a year doing 60-80 hour weeks when they can work for £50,000 or £60,000 A year doing 40 hour weeks?

The result is the science and maths departments having a massive shortage and being forced to draw on anyone and anything with a pulse and not a registered paedophile. Hell some schools are so desperate here you could write that you got a science degree in crayon and spell science wrong and they would take you!

I am guessing in the USA the states that pay teachers more have higher quality teachers.

I know there are a few states in desperate situations as I regually get emails offering jobs and a work visa in Chicago, Detroit, denver(?) And new York. I don't know about the Colorado one but I would not touch the other city's with a barge pole.

Looking abroad, country's with the best education systems like Finland, South Korea, Japan ect pay teacher more than here with reduced workloads........And they attract the talent.
And that then pays off in the economy.

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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

They dont work anywhere near that many hours here. I have a few friends that are teachers.
8 to 330 for the most part.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: DieGloke

They dont work anywhere near that many hours here. I have a few friends that are teachers.
8 to 330 for the most part.


Really?

Hmmmm

So Denver then? What's it like there?



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: DieGloke

Indiana, and its sticky hot



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