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Does all the crime in Trump's circle prove that capitalism doesn't work?

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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: CB328

Capitalism is the greatest system ever devised. The people have the power instead of the state unlike socialism, communism, fascism...etc


What power exactly?

What if you try to encounter the government, like with taxes, tickets, unruly behaviour - you know, all those things the government/state will counter your moves strictly and without remorse?

So, what power do "the people" really have?


The power they've always had when unified. If the people would actually ENGAGE and operate within the system they already have TOGETHER instead of striving to institute other ideologies and agendas, we might actually be considered a force to be reckoned with instead of the sheep we're labeled as.




posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Agit8dChop

The Trump admin is a threat because they are treasonous, but just not as treasonous as others?



What treason have they committed?


I don't know. That is why I asked you, as you said this:



The political opposition are involved much deeper and more treasonous than this current trump administration


More treasonous. That indicates that this admin is treasonous in some manner, but not as treasonous as others.

Can you clarify? What has the Trump admin done to be considered treasonous, but not as much as others?
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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: CB328

Regardless of the ism corruption will always exist , anyone sat next to a free flowing river of money will be tempted to take a drink no matter the system it was created under.

No system is perfect but capitalism serves us fairly well.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Agit8dChop

The Trump admin is a threat because they are treasonous, but just not as treasonous as others?



What treason have they committed?


I don't know. That is why I asked you, as you said this:



The political opposition are involved much deeper and more treasonous than this current trump administration


More treasonous. That indicates that this admin is treasonous in some manner, but not as treasonous as others.


What would you class as Treason?

a) Trump and his family actively reaching out looking for Hillary's Dirt during the campaign? even if the 'fringe' efforts end up in other countries? .. kinda like how the Steele Dossier ended up in Russian minds?

b) Trump earning billions in the months after he finishes being President, from his Trump brand?

c) Trump willing to give up Ukraine to Russia?

d) Trump paying of 20 porn stars/celebs about affairs?



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:36 AM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Agit8dChop

The Trump admin is a threat because they are treasonous, but just not as treasonous as others?



What treason have they committed?


They ran an honest campaign, and won without stealing the nomination.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:37 AM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Agit8dChop

The Trump admin is a threat because they are treasonous, but just not as treasonous as others?



What treason have they committed?


I don't know. That is why I asked you, as you said this:



The political opposition are involved much deeper and more treasonous than this current trump administration


More treasonous. That indicates that this admin is treasonous in some manner, but not as treasonous as others.


What would you class as Treason?

a) Trump and his family actively reaching out looking for Hillary's Dirt during the campaign? even if the 'fringe' efforts end up in other countries? .. kinda like how the Steele Dossier ended up in Russian minds?

b) Trump earning billions in the months after he finishes being President, from his Trump brand?

c) Trump willing to give up Ukraine to Russia?

d) Trump paying of 20 porn stars/celebs about affairs?


What I think is irrelevant. I asked you a question, as you are the one that indicated the Trump admin was treasonous in some form or fashion, but not as treasonous as others.

Again, what has the admin done to be treasonous?



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Do any of those accusations, a. thru d., violate the USC definition of treason?



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: introvert

No idea, I cant prove anything.
But my list above I think he did all of those things.. but I still dont think its treason!

That's why I'm curious if that would be considered treason? people throw that word around (myself included)..



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:44 AM
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Uh, capitalism is working, very well.

Not sure what trump has to do with it one way or another.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:44 AM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: introvert

No idea, I cant prove anything.
But my list above I think he did all of those things.. but I still dont think its treason!

That's why I'm curious if that would be considered treason? people throw that word around (myself included)..


I do not have any reason to say that the Trump admin is treasonous at this point and that is why I was surprised to see you indicate that they may be.

Perhaps it's a matter wording more than anything else.
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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: CB328

What crime? You mean "does the manufactured outrage from the left prove Capitalism doesn't work?" The answer is, NO. All it proves is that the left is clueless, hyperbolic, and freaking magnificent comedians.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: CB328

What crime? You mean "does the manufactured outrage from the left prove Capitalism doesn't work?" The answer is, NO. All it proves is that the left is clueless, hyperbolic, and freaking magnificent comedians.


I think the OP is referring to the current crimes people surrounding Trump are being prosecuted for.

That's not manufactured. That's real.

Figured you knew about those cases and definitely brings a bit of irony to your use of the term "clueless".



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Meh... nonsense charges which could be levied against anyone in DC, frankly. That's why I say clueless... we're being demanded to support and believe charges which literally involve the backbone of both parties' interactions with foreign entities. Both Dems and Republicans do business in Russia, both interact with Russian leadership, both have benefitted and been harmed by internet scuttlebutt sourced from outside the USA... it's far too convenient and monumentally ridiculous to look at one side circumspecting the other with a fine tooth comb while being woefully blind to their own doing exactly what they're accusing the Trump team of doing.

I'm simply saying law of averages... I don't care what either side is doing as far as these accusations and charges go... let them do it. The way it currently stands, only the party I support seems to ever actually face charges. That's a very biased system and the solution is to either let 'em all do it, or charge all who do it, but stop acting outraged when someone you hate gets caught doing exactly what your idols have been doing for years.
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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert

Meh... nonsense charges which could be levied against anyone in DC, frankly.


Nonsense is a matter of opinion. But you said "manufactured outrage from the left", which appears to be completely incorrect.



None of it changes the fact that the OP topic amused me.


Absolutely. I find it humorous that grown men talk out of their asses in order to satisfy their political desires and biases.

Edit: As for the rest of your long-winded edit, it appears you subscribe to framing this issue in an over-simplified manner that relies on one's ignorance of context in order to make logical sense.

Someone with a slight knowledge of the details and charges would be able to easily discern that your opinion is not well-founded or accurate.


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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: CB328

Judging by even greater number of crimes the Obama Crime Syndicate have been show to have committed, proves that socialism/communism doesn't work.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: introvert

It’s a system that grants rights through commerce and entrepreneurship.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope

Power to create jobs, wealth , businesses and products as they see fit.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: introvert

It’s a system that grants rights through commerce and entrepreneurship.


No. Rights are granted through the constitution/bill of rights.

Capitalism is not a system of governance. It's an economic system.
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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Exactly it grants rights THROUGH free commerce and entrepreneurship.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: introvert

Exactly it grants rights THROUGH free commerce and entrepreneurship.


No. Or rights are granted through the implementation and adoption of constitutional principles.

My right to free speech or religion, for example, is not granted through commerce or entrepreneurship. In fact, it has nothing to do with it.

Your assertion is absolutely silly.




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