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originally posted by: Words
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: Words
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: Words
a reply to: Kharron
But Manafort and Gates were on trial for activity unrelated to the 2016 election or Trump, correct?
No, Gates is not on trial at all as he struck a deal with Mueller after he pleaded guilty. We don't know what deal he made but we will eventually.
Manafort is on trial for charges ending in 2017, here is the list of 18 charges, filed in Virginia. There is still District of Columbia as a separate trial.
I asked if Manafort and Gates were on trial for activity related to the 2016 election or Trump, not whether deals were made, or from what year the charges stem from.
And like I said, Gates is not on trial as he struck a deal. What deal it is we don't know and I'm not going to speculate, but chances are very high that it will have to do with bringing someone higher up, down.
As to Manafort charges, they are about bank and tax fraud, conspiracy against the United States, failing to register as a foreign agent and so on.
One thing I will say about Manafort though, he is turning out the be the most loyal employee of Trump's and has not turned on him or accepted any deals in all this time. I firmly believe he is the one who is being made an example of, as he is most likely to get life in prison by protecting the higher ups. Not being a rat is commendable in any situation, I think.
It could also mean there is nothing to rat, no beans to spill.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Words
a reply to: CriticalStinker
Wait...are people implying this is obstruction of justice?
I'm not, but I think it would be safe to say some are (though it's not so long as he doesn't act on it).
And it is that sort of context in which Trump may have attempted to obstruct justice when he acted out through firing Comey.
do you mean when he fired Comey with the advise of Rosenstine?
All this evidence, all the Russia collusion. This is very damaging stuff here omg.
Trump is a goner. /yawn.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Kharron
The Americans that have plead guilty have done so to process crimes, lying to the fbi.
Gates and Manafort have nothing to do with the 16 election. Have a look at what the judge told the prosecutors today; they can't even use the word oligarch during the trial. That is light years removed from the events of the 16 election.
Stone remains unindicted.
This event is a train to nowhere.
The investigation is needlessly hurting innocent people. A couple of them have even lost their homes.
Ye, good luck with that, no leftist thinks THAT far.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: Words
a reply to: CriticalStinker
Wait...are people implying this is obstruction of justice?
I'm not, but I think it would be safe to say some are (though it's not so long as he doesn't act on it).
And it is that sort of context in which Trump may have attempted to obstruct justice when he acted out through firing Comey.
do you mean when he fired Comey with the advise of Rosenstine?
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Kharron
2 trials for Manafort
The one ongoing has nothing to do with the 16 election. Even the prosecutors have stated this.
www.cnbc.com...
Mueller's team has said it will not bring forward evidence regarding Russian collusion at the Virginia trial.
Doesn't get much clearer than from muellers team.
According to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's May 2017 order, Mueller is looking at "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, as well as matters that arise from the investigation. Mueller's team has said it will not bring forward evidence regarding Russian collusion at the Virginia trial.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: CriticalStinker
Same thing that has motivated him the whole time..
He is scared of getting caught.. because he knows he did it..
originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: CriticalStinker
I agree about speaking definitively without facts. Facts are so debatable it seems, depending upon the framework or context from which or into which they are viewed. As much as I would also like to keep an open mind about Guliani I am afraid that I no longer can.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: face23785
........
Yes, because firing the guy investigating you and then going on TV and saying that is why you fired him is not obstruction......