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you need ID to buy groceries?

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posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: darkbake

They explicitly state the following:


Both Visa and MasterCard say in most cases, customers can't be required to show an ID to use the cards. Ultimately, it is up the store but if you have been refused service or feel the store is in violation of credit card policies, you can file a complaint


m.nbc12.com...

I prefer someone to check. And if you have a debit card, you had to have an ID to open the account with the bank. And chances are you have an ID if you have a credit card bit no, neither Visa or MasterCard state that a store cannot ask for ID.

With today's cards, many have a picture on the back so the card can identify the user. But ultimately it is up to the store. The credit card companies generally say if the card is signed on the back, then they prefer the merchant not ask for ID.

However, once burned, twice shy...


George Peyton, with the Retail Merchants Association says he encourages all stores to ask for an ID. For him, it all boils down to safety for the customer and the store.


Often the retailer is the one who is on the hook for fraudulent charges. Cards are getting "smarter" nowadays but so is the criminal.

Just watched a show about skimmers, go into town and collect card numbers, then make copies of those cards overnight and spend for 24 to 48 hours.



edit on 8/3/2018 by DJMSN because: Addition




posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: skynet2015

You need id to drive.
Not buy groceries.

Still spinning. You are all holding strong after 30 pages.
Assuming. Spinning. Anything to defend


Listen man, I really don't know why you bother. You're banging your head against a brick wall.

You know you're right, they know it too. They're just not going to admit it. I'd move on.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: RMFX1

Just want to see how long they stay with the good fight.
It amuses me.




posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Spot on. I think everyone actually gets that too, but apparently, it's not as much fun as creating a story over nothing to bash Trump with. I guess that's the world we live in.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

What's wrong with bashing the president? I've been here since Dubya's 1st term and that has been the norm.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: UKTruth

What's wrong with bashing the president? I've been here since Dubya's 1st term and that has been the norm.



Just not this president
He is the greatest



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: UKTruth

What's wrong with bashing the president? I've been here since Dubya's 1st term and that has been the norm.



Nothing at all, but concocting some outrage over nothing to bash him masks the things he actually should be criticised for.
I think his critics have used up their capital on nothing much. In fact, for his biggest mistake, he got praised.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

No outrage.
We went through this yesterday.

Amusement
An experiment
No outrage



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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you sure we're bashing the president and not his loyal followers for twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to validate his statements?



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
you sure we're bashing the president and not his loyal followers for twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to validate his statements?


On my end I said from the jump I posted this cause I suspected they would do the deflection dance. They did.

I called trump a liar. I also said he could have misspoke but it was my opinion he lied.

That's not bashing

These days though if it is anything negative about him it's bashing and triggered and blah blah word vomit



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears
These days though if it is anything negative about him it's bashing and triggered and blah blah word vomit

You forgot 'hater' that's currently the most inappropriately overused word on ATS lately lol



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: mikell
Yes you used to need ID to use a credit card but today they have many safeties to make not quite as hard to steal.


How do you get a credit card without ID? If you have to have an ID to GET a credit card then you are using your ID every time you use your credit card.

I'm assuming that if you made up a name and applied for a credit card under your made up name, it wouldn't work.

Nevertheless, who cares what Trump says about anything?
edit on 3-8-2018 by BrianFlanders because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


TRN, I agree with you that Trump often speaks in generalities. And I feel pretty confident in saying that no one in this thread (but for certain myself) wants illegal voting taking place and further tainting the already shaken Democratic process.

But you have to admit, effective communications skills and putting them to use is not only a part of adulthood, but ESPECIALLY important in the workforce, the Military, and further yet the highest office in our land.

When there is concern, fear, a population that may need leadership, for example if a war were to break out on our shores, the last thing in the world anyone should ever want is a generality. "Well, we'll see if im gong to take any action" or "Don't worry, you'll see"...a leader needs to be held to a higher standard than that.

Defending his position is ok, defending his inability to effectively communicate is not ok.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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Id for beer, cigs and porn.
Groceries of a champ



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears


you posted a small essay defending it and giving reasons why it is true when it is not.

Actually, I explained that it is false, IF one wants to nitpick every syllable (as people seem to want to do).

I also explained how it is true in a general sense, and posted my assertion that it was mentioned in a general sense. I can find actions that Hillary Clinton has taken that are not "crooked," that are perfectly legal. Does that diminish the moniker of "crooked Hillary"? Nope. In a specific sense, that moniker can be shown to be false because she does things that are not illegal... in the general sense, it is true, because she frequently does illegal things (and gets away with it).

If all you want is for someone to admit that Trump said something that was not true in all cases, fine... read these lips:

What Trump said can be proven to be demonstrably false in a specific sense.

Now, feel better? That statement has not changed anyone's minds... except to maybe cement in them the reality of the extreme, unreasonable hatred some have for Trump.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Defending his position is ok, defending his inability to effectively communicate is not ok.


I can't stand listening to Trump.

I read his transcripts (as I do most everyone else).

Reading him in print is really scary.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar


no one's answered me as to just what documents they need to present to get their photo id though, have they...

If memory serves, I had to have a birth certificate and a social security card... that was quite some time back, too, so I don't know your answer. I know some places want to see things like utility bills in your name, etc.


ya know it stands to reason that if those documents were good enough to prove who you are to get the photo id, they should also be good enough for you to get a job, a bank account, everything but the right to drive down our streets, and more often than not, they are. that little photo id is just another piece of convenience so you can keep those other documents locked away safe.

True, at least in government. I don't even have a social security card... I have a certified copy of my birth certificate in a briefcase to use for job verification (along with my driver's license).

A business is not going to go through trying to interpret documents to verify a sale, though. They demand that convenience.


you might as well be saying that most of us drive cars so we have photo ids, turn that into we need a photo id to do anything in this country so obviously we all have one... so we can demand that id when you vote and it will harm no one..

That is exactly what I am saying. Sorry, but reality is that almost everyone has access to a photo ID, and it wouldn't be difficult to make sure everyone has access. Alabama did that, and it has disenfranchised no one.


I can think of a few groups that it could harm, not too surprisingly they seem to be groups that would tend to lean more towards democrats... stay at home moms (women not wantng the kitty grabbed)... elderly (wanting not to be pushed over that cliff), disabled ( still irked about trump mocking them), those who are too poor to have a car (who surprisingly can still get food stamps and such by the way because, all that other documents can be substituted for the photo id, matter of fact, some of it is required regardless of weather you have a photo id or not.

Stay at home Moms don't drive to the store or have bank accounts?

The elderly don't have bank accounts?

The poor don't work anywhere? You do realize that's illegal in itself, to refuse work in order to keep food stamps?

You are refusing to acknowledge reality of life in our society. Show me one person who does not have the ability to get a photo ID according to Alabama law... just one. Then we can at least have a conversation about why their right to live without a photo ID supersedes the right of everyone else to have their votes matter. As it is, you haven't shown me where anyone living in the USA would be disenfranchised.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: dawnstar
You are refusing to acknowledge reality of life in our society. Show me one person who does not have the ability to get a photo ID according to Alabama law... just one. Then we can at least have a conversation about why their right to live without a photo ID supersedes the right of everyone else to have their votes matter. As it is, you haven't shown me where anyone living in the USA would be disenfranchised.

TheRedneck

What surprises me is that so many US folk don't hold even a passport to be able to leave the country if they needed to quick. Wiki says 64% of US citizens do not hold a passport, while in England & Wales only 17% of people don't have a passport.
My passport is my only ID, it is king of ID, I don't need anything else...and I like travelling to different parts of the world when I can.
I'd feel caged without my passport, and if the UK looked like some sort of emergency collapse of some kind which I'd want to flee then those with no passports have no chance of getting out.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: alphabetaone

I actually consider that a valid argument. Trump does speak off the cuff far, far more than any politician in memory. The difference is that people who support him seem to get that, while those who hate him refuse to.

North Korea as an example: "Fire and fury!" No politician would ever have said that... it's not politically correct. But it was exactly what Kim Jong Un needed to hear. Sure, it offended a lot of sensibilities, but it may well have prevented a nuclear war. Now which is more important?

I say preventing war is more important that speaking politically.

When I listen to Trump, I am listening like I would listen to someone I know having a conversation with me. They're going to use generalities, misspeak from time to time, use a little hyperbole, exaggerate some... that's a part of the language. When someone says "I could care less," I know they mean they do not care, but if one analyzes those words, it means they do care some... the opposite of the general meaning. Do I correct them? Do I raise my voice over the "fact" that they said explicitly that they do care some about the subject? NO... because I know what they meant.

Words at their most basic are simply boxes to hold ideas. Better boxes may make for clearer transmission of those ideas, but are not required. All that is required is for the idea to be transmitted. If it is transmitted correctly, then the color of the box that it came in does not matter. But it seems that a lot of people want to examine the boxes before ever opening them to see what's inside.

Trump got elected for the express reason that he is NOT a politician. It would be silly of me to have voted for him for that reason, only to expect him to change into a politician and thus speak in political correct words once elected. That would be breaking a major campaign promise... and while I realize such is the status quo and expected, it does not follow that it is a good thing. Honesty and promises kept are better.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I don't hold a passport. Don't need one. My home is here, and it's a long, long way to a border I care nothign about crossing.

You mention the UK... I will never get to see it. I would be hung in the town square if I ever tried to visit; recent events have shown me that clearly.

TheRedneck



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