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American Style Fascism

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posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

What in the blue hell are you running on about?




posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I'm putting up the mockery-variant of scepticsscots post, essentially. And we're running on fumes here, that's what this is. Why did you even start the parade when you can't find your foot to pull it out of your mouth once the myths are exposed.

Pincette?



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
Pincette?


Tweezers? Dahell?



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 02:15 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot
The nazi party reduced gun control in German.


Your statement is FALSE...
The true story:
www.independent.org...

A year before Adolf Hitler took power in 1933, the German Interior Minister directed that gun registration records be made secure to keep them from falling “into the hands of radical elements.” His efforts proved futile: the records fell into the hands of the Nazi government, which used them to disarm its political enemies and the Jews.




They banned trade unions.

...and replaced it with the nationalized German Labor Front while ranting against capitalism. similar to what Stalin was doing in the USSR... Please, make my day by telling me how Soviet communism and the Bolsheveks were right wing.



The first focus of their attacks were left wing groups.

The first focus of Hitlers attacks were the Jews, and the rationale Hitler gave was that they controlled the banks and industries in Germany... Now, I ask you... which modern political side is most connected with the ideologies of placing blame and casting shade on the wealthy, the bankers, and the titans of commerce, the Right or the Left?


Typing false in caps doesn't actually make something false you know.

Hitler relaxed gun control for the majority of the population. He tightened on Jews as he was anti jew not anti gun. Unless you think the restrictions he placed on Jews working for the government or going into education means he was anti public sector jobs and public education? That clearly doesn't sound very left wing...

Hitler banned trade unions and replaced them with a nazi organisation to remove opposition and maximise productivity. Not protect workers rights. Again not very left wing.

The first groups to be sent to concentration camps were mainly political opponents. Left wing groups. Perhaps you have heard of the Niemoller poem even if you haven't read the actual history?

The Nazis were right wing. That doesn't mean all right wing people are nazis any more than it means all left wing people are Stalanists.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

You're right on one thing. I absolutely agree that the fact the Nazis were left wing does not mean all left wingers are Nazis.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 05:39 AM
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I've assaulted no Jews, brainwashed no children, invaded no countries, saluted no Dear Leaders


You support the most corrupt President in American history, who wants to invade Iran,destroy our constitutionally guaranteed freedom of the press, who deports Grandmothers and rips children away from refugees, who is spending more on the military than any other President in history, and who is brainwashing the American people into destroying everything that made our country great, like equal opportunity, competent leadersihp, equality, etc.

This is a President who had a stadium chanting "animals!" about latin American immigrants, how is that any different than Hitler scapegoating the jews??? Hitler probably had more cause than Trump does, that's the only difference.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 07:43 AM
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originally posted by: CB328



I've assaulted no Jews, brainwashed no children, invaded no countries, saluted no Dear Leaders


You support the most corrupt President in American history, who wants to invade Iran,destroy our constitutionally guaranteed freedom of the press, who deports Grandmothers and rips children away from refugees, who is spending more on the military than any other President in history, and who is brainwashing the American people into destroying everything that made our country great, like equal opportunity, competent leadersihp, equality, etc.

This is a President who had a stadium chanting "animals!" about latin American immigrants, how is that any different than Hitler scapegoating the jews??? Hitler probably had more cause than Trump does, that's the only difference.



My God, the hyperbole and overblown emotional drivel of that post is staggering!
Thank you, I needed that laugh.




posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

James, is that you?




posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
The Nazis were right wing.


So they just chose to call themselves the democratic socialist workers party to throw us off? Let's see what kind of mental gymnastics you can do to explain the name?



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posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: ScepticScot
The Nazis were right wing.


So they just chose to call themselves the democratic socialist workers party to throw us off? Let's see what kind of mental gymnastics you can do to explain the name?




You mean national socialist workers party?

I suppose you think the Democratic people's Republic of Korea is a democracy?

Desperate mental gymnastics come from those claiming the Nazis were left wing.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot



I suppose you think the Democratic people's Republic of Korea is a democracy?


It is, actually. They have the tacit approval of the Korean people from the fact that the Korean people do not revolt in such numbers that it would be impossible to maintain. The Korean government could put down small rebellions but they're not going to be able to kill everyone. Therefore, it's democratic.



posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: ScepticScot



I suppose you think the Democratic people's Republic of Korea is a democracy?


It is, actually. They have the tacit approval of the Korean people from the fact that the Korean people do not revolt in such numbers that it would be impossible to maintain. The Korean government could put down small rebellions but they're not going to be able to kill everyone. Therefore, it's democratic.


Only if you redefine words to mean something completely different.

Much like people claiming nazis were left wing.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 04:06 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: ScepticScot



I suppose you think the Democratic people's Republic of Korea is a democracy?


It is, actually. They have the tacit approval of the Korean people from the fact that the Korean people do not revolt in such numbers that it would be impossible to maintain. The Korean government could put down small rebellions but they're not going to be able to kill everyone. Therefore, it's democratic.


Only if you redefine words to mean something completely different.

Much like people claiming nazis were left wing.


Well, can you name any other "right wing" political party that had "socialist" in it's name? They called themselves socialists. That isn't revisionism. That's the name they chose.

So, either....

1. They were confused as to what the word "socialism" even means. Which would not help your case because it would still be a case of people doing bad # in the name of socialism. Which is exactly what worries people.

2. They did it on purpose to trick socialists into supporting them and not figuring it out until it was too late. Which still doesn't help your case because it would prove that socialism is a cause that completely blinds it's followers to the difference between right and wrong and fills them with the lust for achieving their goals at all costs. Which, again, is exactly what scares people about socialism (and various other forms of mindless collectivism).

3. They just chose a random name with no intent whatsoever and thought it would never matter. I find this least likely.

4. There is a difference between national socialism and international socialism but that difference does not make international socialism harmless. Quite the opposite, actually.

Honestly, I don't think the nazis were smart enough to have any ulterior motives in picking a name for themselves. Whether what they stood for is actually what socialism is or not, I think socialist ideology had a major impact on their mindset.

And that is why I say that for something that is supposedly (according to it's adherents) so benign it certainly has gone down a bloody and murderous and disastrous path.......rather often. The word just seems to pop up every time you find a massive pile of dead civilians over the course of the last century or so.

But again, I am no big fan of right wingers either. As I said, it's really all the same damn thing in my book. Any government that hangs around long enough will get more and more authoritarian. Eventually.
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posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

Hitler promised Stalin not to invade Russia as well. And you still trust the Nazis to deliver the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, with their party name. Excellent decision, I'm still laughing!

Now try to think about OP Paperclip and what it did for the fascism in the States. How is that?



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 06:16 AM
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This thread should be a meme, seriously you know there is simply no chance of survival when people start arguing Nazis were lefties....congratulations though to those of you trying you are truly special.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 07:58 AM
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Thank God we have term limits.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: ScepticScot



I suppose you think the Democratic people's Republic of Korea is a democracy?


It is, actually. They have the tacit approval of the Korean people from the fact that the Korean people do not revolt in such numbers that it would be impossible to maintain. The Korean government could put down small rebellions but they're not going to be able to kill everyone. Therefore, it's democratic.


Only if you redefine words to mean something completely different.

Much like people claiming nazis were left wing.


Well, can you name any other "right wing" political party that had "socialist" in it's name? They called themselves socialists. That isn't revisionism. That's the name they chose.

So, either....

1. They were confused as to what the word "socialism" even means. Which would not help your case because it would still be a case of people doing bad # in the name of socialism. Which is exactly what worries people.

2. They did it on purpose to trick socialists into supporting them and not figuring it out until it was too late. Which still doesn't help your case because it would prove that socialism is a cause that completely blinds it's followers to the difference between right and wrong and fills them with the lust for achieving their goals at all costs. Which, again, is exactly what scares people about socialism (and various other forms of mindless collectivism).

3. They just chose a random name with no intent whatsoever and thought it would never matter. I find this least likely.

4. There is a difference between national socialism and international socialism but that difference does not make international socialism harmless. Quite the opposite, actually.

Honestly, I don't think the nazis were smart enough to have any ulterior motives in picking a name for themselves. Whether what they stood for is actually what socialism is or not, I think socialist ideology had a major impact on their mindset.

And that is why I say that for something that is supposedly (according to it's adherents) so benign it certainly has gone down a bloody and murderous and disastrous path.......rather often. The word just seems to pop up every time you find a massive pile of dead civilians over the course of the last century or so.

But again, I am no big fan of right wingers either. As I said, it's really all the same damn thing in my book. Any government that hangs around long enough will get more and more authoritarian. Eventually.


The history of the nazi party name is incredibly well documented. Arguing that the name somehow makes them left wing is wilful ignorance of the highest order.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

From a libertarian perspective, I see the Far Left as being much more prone to Fascist tendencies. They are easily manipulated, do not seem to require logic and common sense to take on a cause and many are emotionally unbalanced, discourage free speech when it suits them and don't seem to mind a biased media.. This is a perfect recipe for a tyrannical government system to evolve.



posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

The history of the nazi party name is incredibly well documented. Arguing that the name somehow makes them left wing is wilful ignorance of the highest order.


All I am arguing is the name was the name they chose FOR THEMSELVES. I didn't put the word "socialist" in the name. It's that #ing simple.

Beyond that, people are going to believe what they want to believe. I choose to believe that history is written by the victors. Therefore, I read historical documents with a jaded eye and a HUGE grain of salt (and maybe a little pepper for flavor).
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posted on Aug, 3 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: pointessa
a reply to: dfnj2015

From a libertarian perspective, I see the Far Left as being much more prone to Fascist tendencies. They are easily manipulated, do not seem to require logic and common sense to take on a cause and many are emotionally unbalanced, discourage free speech when it suits them and don't seem to mind a biased media.. This is a perfect recipe for a tyrannical government system to evolve.



Unfortunately, those traits do not have a party affinity. The only reason I find the left more threatening presently is they have far more leeway and respect from the public and far more influence over the MSM. As such, they have infinity more sway with the youth (and have had for decades).

So if you wanted to set up some kind of totalitarian state, the left wing would be the one you'd want to go through. It's preposterous to think of the Republicans being able to do anything of the sort.
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