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posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: BrianFlanders

The state has less interest and affect on people personal life's than at any point in history.


This is clearly not true.


There are obvious exceptions, generally where the is a public safety or health concern involved


These are not occasional exceptions. This is all you hear about all day long every day. Turn on your TV and the first thing you will hear is about how someone's rights are getting in the way of public health and safety. And you'll keep hearing them harp on that same theme for as long as you can stand to listen to it.


but in general I think the trend has been towards greater personal freedom and less authoritarian government.


Oh really? OK. Tell you what. If you live in the US, find yourself a nice comfy seat and read every single law that exists in this country and if this forum still exists when you finish reading, let us know how long it took.
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posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

Why is it clearly untrue?

Within my life time homosexuality was illegal where I live. I can think of many more examples of areas where previously the state legislated in major parts of people existence that it no longer does. .

Number of laws is poor indicator of the level of state involvement.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Why is it clearly untrue?

Within my life time homosexuality was illegal where I live. I can think of many more examples of areas where previously the state legislated in major parts of people existence that it no longer does. .

Number of laws is poor indicator of the level of state involvement.



Man. People really just don't like the unvarnished truth.

OK. I'll tell you what. Go to the bathroom and take a dump and flush the toilet. The government dictates how much water your toilet can use in a single flush. That is a pretty damn deep level of government involvement in your life when you can't flush the damn toilet without the government being in there with you.

You can't even buy an incandescent light bulb in some places anymore because the government banned them for being inefficient. A light bulb!
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posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Why is it clearly untrue?

Within my life time homosexuality was illegal where I live. I can think of many more examples of areas where previously the state legislated in major parts of people existence that it no longer does. .

Number of laws is poor indicator of the level of state involvement.



Man. People really just don't like the unvarnished truth.

OK. I'll tell you what. Go to the bathroom and take a dump and flush the toilet. The government dictates how much water your toilet can use in a single flush. That is a pretty damn deep level of government involvement in your life when you can't flush the damn toilet without the government being in there with you.

You can't even buy an incandescent light bulb in some places anymore because the government banned them for being inefficient. A light bulb!


Yes because how much water you use to flush and not being able to buy inefficient light bulbs is totally comparable to legislating about people's sexuality.

People have greater social freedom than at any point in history. If that is traded off against not being as free to pollute the environment then I guess that just the price we pay for progress...



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Well, it certainly was given many of the trappings of a religion. Also consider some of the groups that were persecuted...gives a ring of truth to Goebbels statements, doesn't it?

Oh, yes, National Socialism was, for its true adherents, a religion.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6




Might you be forgetting this fact?


Not forgetting. Ignoring willfully. Hoping that no one will notice. Oops. We did.

Oh, by the way...

APPLAUSE!





posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?


You get racists all over the political spectrum.

Doesn't change that the Nazi party came to power on the support of the right wing in Germany.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?


You get racists all over the political spectrum.

Doesn't change that the Nazi party came to power on the support of the right wing in Germany.


The modern left looks a lot more like the 1920s German right than the modern right does, then... If you remove the ethnocentrism (which, as you said, you get all over the political spectrum) the Nazi's policies were eerily similar to modern Democrats ideals. Infolurker's post clearly illustrates that.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015


American style or otherwise, the situation in this country for the last 15 or 20 years complies with the dictionary definition of fascism.

From Webster: A philosophy or governmental system marked by stringent socioeconomic control, a strong central government usually headed by a dictator, and often a belligerently nationalistic policy."

We meet all the important points.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?


You get racists all over the political spectrum.

Doesn't change that the Nazi party came to power on the support of the right wing in Germany.


The modern left looks a lot more like the 1920s German right than the modern right does, then... If you remove the ethnocentrism (which, as you said, you get all over the political spectrum) the Nazi's policies were eerily similar to modern Democrats ideals. Infolurker's post clearly illustrates that.


Which post was that?

The one I remember was where he got a load of facts wrong.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?


You get racists all over the political spectrum.

Doesn't change that the Nazi party came to power on the support of the right wing in Germany.


The modern left looks a lot more like the 1920s German right than the modern right does, then... If you remove the ethnocentrism (which, as you said, you get all over the political spectrum) the Nazi's policies were eerily similar to modern Democrats ideals. Infolurker's post clearly illustrates that.


Which post was that?

The one I remember was where he got a load of facts wrong.


Your memory is either faulty or your perception is skewed so badly that you're oblivious to facts and reality. Sorry, but Hitler's Nazi party, if you remove the genocide from the equation, was the modern progressive agenda in action.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?


You get racists all over the political spectrum.

Doesn't change that the Nazi party came to power on the support of the right wing in Germany.


The modern left looks a lot more like the 1920s German right than the modern right does, then... If you remove the ethnocentrism (which, as you said, you get all over the political spectrum) the Nazi's policies were eerily similar to modern Democrats ideals. Infolurker's post clearly illustrates that.


Which post was that?

The one I remember was where he got a load of facts wrong.


Your memory is either faulty or your perception is skewed so badly that you're oblivious to facts and reality. Sorry, but Hitler's Nazi party, if you remove the genocide from the equation, was the modern progressive agenda in action.


No it really wasn't. No amount of regurgitated right wing talking points will change that.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Indeed. The socialists, Antifas, homosexuals, (feel free to expand/ whitewash the list) on the other hand...

Don't let the modern times lure your dark soul into the light of another day. Benevolent leftwingers for good aryan nationalists they were, my fine padawahn (yes, it's a krautish joke. Look up "Wahn")






posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?


You get racists all over the political spectrum.

Doesn't change that the Nazi party came to power on the support of the right wing in Germany.


The modern left looks a lot more like the 1920s German right than the modern right does, then... If you remove the ethnocentrism (which, as you said, you get all over the political spectrum) the Nazi's policies were eerily similar to modern Democrats ideals. Infolurker's post clearly illustrates that.


Which post was that?

The one I remember was where he got a load of facts wrong.


Your memory is either faulty or your perception is skewed so badly that you're oblivious to facts and reality. Sorry, but Hitler's Nazi party, if you remove the genocide from the equation, was the modern progressive agenda in action.


No it really wasn't. No amount of regurgitated right wing talking points will change that.


No amount of BS left wing denials of facts will change the fact that yes, Hitler's underlying policies of gun control, speech restrictions, environmental controls, corporate restrictions, taxation, forced social changes through force of militaristic law, the nanny state, national healthcare, eugenics, universal basic income, lip service to labor unions, politics saving a culture from itself... all major tenants of the modern progressive movement. Deny if you wish, reality, history, and facts call your denials out as the "head in the sand" historical revisionist lies they are.



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: infolurker

This is one of the finest posts in this thread. Modern society has whitewashed history and obfuscated the fact that the Nazi party was very much a socialist, left wing party which pushed left wing, socialist policies. If Hitler was running against his daughter in Germany today, he'd be the SDP's candidate.


Would that be the same Social Democrats that were the only party to vote against the enabling act?

Hitler's support came from right wing conservative parties.


Hmm... at the same time the KKK in the US was predominantly comprised of southern Democrats. Same DNC as today?


You get racists all over the political spectrum.

Doesn't change that the Nazi party came to power on the support of the right wing in Germany.


The modern left looks a lot more like the 1920s German right than the modern right does, then... If you remove the ethnocentrism (which, as you said, you get all over the political spectrum) the Nazi's policies were eerily similar to modern Democrats ideals. Infolurker's post clearly illustrates that.


Which post was that?

The one I remember was where he got a load of facts wrong.


Your memory is either faulty or your perception is skewed so badly that you're oblivious to facts and reality. Sorry, but Hitler's Nazi party, if you remove the genocide from the equation, was the modern progressive agenda in action.


No it really wasn't. No amount of regurgitated right wing talking points will change that.


No amount of BS left wing denials of facts will change the fact that yes, Hitler's underlying policies of gun control, speech restrictions, environmental controls, corporate restrictions, taxation, forced social changes through force of militaristic law, the nanny state, national healthcare, eugenics, universal basic income, lip service to labor unions, politics saving a culture from itself... all major tenants of the modern progressive movement. Deny if you wish, reality, history, and facts call your denials out as the "head in the sand" historical revisionist lies they are.


The historical revisionism is that the Nazis where anything other than right wing. They have always been right wing and only in recent years has the online right wing tried to deny this fact.

Militaristic, nationalist and socially Conservative the Nazis where a right wing party who came to power with support ort of German's right wing establishment.

The nazi party reduced gun control in German. They banned trade unions. The first focus of their attacks were left wing groups.
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posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

First time that I see the UBI next to eugenics, how close to the holocaust of 1%ers are we exactly?

New pants? Get 2 pair of fresh pants (with pockets that might grow weed) for the price of one Gold-Shovel!



posted on Aug, 1 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
The nazi party reduced gun control in German.


Your statement is FALSE...
The true story:
www.independent.org...

A year before Adolf Hitler took power in 1933, the German Interior Minister directed that gun registration records be made secure to keep them from falling “into the hands of radical elements.” His efforts proved futile: the records fell into the hands of the Nazi government, which used them to disarm its political enemies and the Jews.




They banned trade unions.

...and replaced it with the nationalized German Labor Front while ranting against capitalism. similar to what Stalin was doing in the USSR... Please, make my day by telling me how Soviet communism and the Bolsheveks were right wing.



The first focus of their attacks were left wing groups.

The first focus of Hitlers attacks were the Jews, and the rationale Hitler gave was that they controlled the banks and industries in Germany... Now, I ask you... which modern political side is most connected with the ideologies of placing blame and casting shade on the wealthy, the bankers, and the titans of commerce, the Right or the Left?
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