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Trump administration wants to roll back the Endangered Species Act

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posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: Annee

They're catching everyone else too. Including the people that dont' want to be caught. aka Citizens who value their privacy.




posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:12 PM
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Just change it to undocumented trophies.

Trump haters can't snip about it.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: BotheLumberJack
a reply to: Annee

They're catching everyone else too. Including the people that dont' want to be caught. aka Citizens who value their privacy.


Too bad.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



in some places, poachers are 'poached' if you get my drift


I get it

Many of the changes from what i have read are needed to fix problems with the act itself but the addition of allowing a value to be put on species is not needed.

It is clearly just a kneejerk proposal that stems from that little fish debacle that happened in california yrs back.

I remember hannity was bent out of shape over it at the time.

There are other ways to "get the water pumps back on" other than allowing big money to dictate to the environmentalist.
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posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: Annee

yes it is.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



Just interesting.

Drones are catching Africa's poachers

www.directionsmag.com...

news.developer.nvidia.com...

www.neurala.com...




Next we will find out that the drone operators are themselves are not infallible and susceptible to the influences of hunters.

It works for a minute or two then...



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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www.nationalparkstraveler.org...


* Economic factors could be considered when the status of a species is reviewed for ESA protection. * Species given a "threatened" designation would not necessarily enjoy the same protections as those considered "endangered." * Changes could preclude existing requirements as to which federal agencies are consulted on a prospective listing. * How critical habitat designations are made could ignore a species' historic habitat that is currently unoccupied by that species. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke's drive to open as much public land as possible to energy exploration has more than a few onlookers seeing these rule changes as designed to keep the ESA from leading to "critical habitat" designations that could take some lands out of play for development. What happens outside parks, in terms of habitat for endangered and threatened species, is incredibly important for those species inside parks.

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posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



Just interesting.

Drones are catching Africa's poachers

www.directionsmag.com...

news.developer.nvidia.com...

www.neurala.com...




Next we will find out that the drone operators are themselves are not infallible and susceptible to the influences of hunters.

It works for a minute or two then...


Do nothing?



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: BotheLumberJack
a reply to: Annee

yes it is.


The arrogance of man.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



Just interesting.

Drones are catching Africa's poachers

www.directionsmag.com...

news.developer.nvidia.com...

www.neurala.com...




Next we will find out that the drone operators are themselves are not infallible and susceptible to the influences of hunters.

It works for a minute or two then...


Do nothing?



Put pressure on china to stop their mess of trading parts

stop usa from allowing big game trophies

tighten up the court prosecution system in africa

keep only the drone system operators that look for what they are supposed to be looking for
edit on 29-7-2018 by howtonhawky because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: CB328


Good, I always wanted to pop a couple of bald eagles and mount them on my mantle.



Your Masonic card has now been rescinded…

You'll have to do with the boy scouts!

I was going to said cub scouts but you obviously don't have respect for animals!

edit on 29-7-2018 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky


no you are not

What am I thinking now?


I get the point you are making though it has many holes in it just as all the instances of failed preservation you give.

If by that you mean it's not perfect, you're right. Nothing except pure nature is perfect, because imperfect humans are involved. But it does work and has worked sine the first cave man figured out he could trade meat he had killed for women.

I have spent my life protecting 90 acres of wildlands... that includes the animals as well as the plant life. Anyone who wants to take it from me, whether they want to call it preservation or highway robbery, would be well advised to be heavily insured against lead poisoning. I don't have many years left on this infested rock, and folks can just wait about screwing up this place with their good intentions that cause the opposite of what they claim to want until I'm gone.

I seriously doubt any of those who support the ESA as it is today instead of supporting wildlife can say the same... and that includes you.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz


in some places, poachers are 'poached' if you get my drift

That includes some parts of Alabama.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



Just interesting.

Drones are catching Africa's poachers

www.directionsmag.com...

news.developer.nvidia.com...

www.neurala.com...




Next we will find out that the drone operators are themselves are not infallible and susceptible to the influences of hunters.

It works for a minute or two then...


Do nothing?



Put pressure on china to stop their mess of trading parts

stop usa from allowing big game trophies

tighten up the court prosecution system in africa

keep only the drone system operators that look for what they are supposed to be looking for


Aren't we already doing that?

Except Trump wants to rescind the no big game trophy.

As far as China - - well culture is the hardest thing to change. Hopefully, the up-coming generation will be more aware and realistic.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: howtonhawky


no you are not

What am I thinking now?


Your are not thinking much since i never even remotely claimed to say what you are thinking.

I pointed out that someone ready to have folks to kill animals for money is in no way all for conservation.

The two ideas are counter productive as we are currently seeing.

It works to create hot spots and that is all.
edit on 29-7-2018 by howtonhawky because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



Just interesting.

Drones are catching Africa's poachers

www.directionsmag.com...

news.developer.nvidia.com...

www.neurala.com...




Next we will find out that the drone operators are themselves are not infallible and susceptible to the influences of hunters.

It works for a minute or two then...


Do nothing?



Put pressure on china to stop their mess of trading parts

stop usa from allowing big game trophies

tighten up the court prosecution system in africa

keep only the drone system operators that look for what they are supposed to be looking for


Aren't we already doing that?

Except Trump wants to rescind the no big game trophy.

As far as China - - well culture is the hardest thing to change. Hopefully, the up-coming generation will be more aware and realistic.


The usa does indeed allow big game trophies on a "case by case basis".

Putting pressure on china can indeed help slow the trade. Currently we are not doing that much.

Although africa has some serious penalties for poaching their justice system moves rather slow and has mucho corruption in it from some wardens to judges.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

I pointed out that someone ready to have folks to kill animals for money is in no way all for conservation.

The two ideas are counter productive as we are currently seeing.



How much money do you donate to animal conservation.

The 2 ideas are not counter productive - - IF hunting licenses/fees go directly back to animal conservation.

It takes money - - a lot of money - - to save the worlds animals - - especially those endangered and in loss of habitat.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



Just interesting.

Drones are catching Africa's poachers

www.directionsmag.com...

news.developer.nvidia.com...

www.neurala.com...




Next we will find out that the drone operators are themselves are not infallible and susceptible to the influences of hunters.

It works for a minute or two then...


Do nothing?



Put pressure on china to stop their mess of trading parts

stop usa from allowing big game trophies

tighten up the court prosecution system in africa

keep only the drone system operators that look for what they are supposed to be looking for


Aren't we already doing that?

Except Trump wants to rescind the no big game trophy.

As far as China - - well culture is the hardest thing to change. Hopefully, the up-coming generation will be more aware and realistic.


The usa does indeed allow big game trophies on a "case by case basis".

Putting pressure on china can indeed help slow the trade. Currently we are not doing that much.

Although africa has some serious penalties for poaching their justice system moves rather slow and has mucho corruption in it from some wardens to judges.


We already do these things.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

I pointed out that someone ready to have folks to kill animals for money is in no way all for conservation.

The two ideas are counter productive as we are currently seeing.



How much money do you donate to animal conservation.

The 2 ideas are not counter productive - - IF hunting licenses/fees go directly back to animal conservation.

It takes money - - a lot of money - - to save the worlds animals - - especially those endangered and in loss of habitat.





You are talking about selective conservationism.

I guess you missed the addition post about the 1900's mistakes we all made.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: odzeandennz

I recently heard that down there it is auto 20yrs for poaching animals.

I was surprised.



Just interesting.

Drones are catching Africa's poachers

www.directionsmag.com...

news.developer.nvidia.com...

www.neurala.com...




Next we will find out that the drone operators are themselves are not infallible and susceptible to the influences of hunters.

It works for a minute or two then...


Do nothing?



Put pressure on china to stop their mess of trading parts

stop usa from allowing big game trophies

tighten up the court prosecution system in africa

keep only the drone system operators that look for what they are supposed to be looking for


Aren't we already doing that?

Except Trump wants to rescind the no big game trophy.

As far as China - - well culture is the hardest thing to change. Hopefully, the up-coming generation will be more aware and realistic.


The usa does indeed allow big game trophies on a "case by case basis".

Putting pressure on china can indeed help slow the trade. Currently we are not doing that much.

Although africa has some serious penalties for poaching their justice system moves rather slow and has mucho corruption in it from some wardens to judges.


We already do these things.


as i noted in the post we need to increase the pressure on china and help find some answer for the failing justice system in africa.

we should end big game trophies into the usa


It is crazy to think china can not control their population

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