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Wages TANK After Trump's Wealthy Tax Cut

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posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Aazadan

yes, I'm also not doing it for financial reasons

also I'm not a 45 year old with a family or a 35 year with a family, that isn't an excuse for being totally dismissive with incredibly hardworking people who literally build our nation

LITERALLY build it


Maybe they should have made better choices and not started a family when they didn't have a lifetime career lined up?

Or maybe we should practice a bit of socialism so that when people inevitably come on hard times, they can pivot and recover.




posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
your perspective is not based on reality


So you deny that a system such as the UK's wouldn't dramatically reduce health care costs? We could have better care for 1/3 of what we're currently paying, if we put that money into taxes rather than private insurance.

Individual consumers have next to zero negotiating power, not only can they not take advantage of scale, but they also have limited options in walking away. This applies to everything from health care to clothes shopping to education.

You don't think government funding of roads is a good idea? How would you like it if all roads became toll roads? Japan has actually done this. Their highway pass costs $600 USD per month. That's in addition to fuel, insurance, vehicle maintenance, and so on. The pass keeps going up too, every couple months as the private companies who have monopolies on the roads (as it's not feasible to build competing highways) keep asking for more and more money.

Compared to how little are we spending on our roads?



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: toysforadults
your perspective is not based on reality


So you deny that a system such as the UK's wouldn't dramatically reduce health care costs? We could have better care for 1/3 of what we're currently paying, if we put that money into taxes rather than private insurance.

Individual consumers have next to zero negotiating power, not only can they not take advantage of scale, but they also have limited options in walking away. This applies to everything from health care to clothes shopping to education.

You don't think government funding of roads is a good idea? How would you like it if all roads became toll roads? Japan has actually done this. Their highway pass costs $600 USD per month. That's in addition to fuel, insurance, vehicle maintenance, and so on. The pass keeps going up too, every couple months as the private companies who have monopolies on the roads (as it's not feasible to build competing highways) keep asking for more and more money.

Compared to how little are we spending on our roads?


Check out the UKs defense budget vs. their GDP and then check out the US. What are they going to do, take MORE taxes from us? Will we be happy when the government takes over half of our take home pay?



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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The president and his administration have little to no effect on wages and inflation. Until serious changes are made, like abolishing the Federal Reserve and creating our own interest free currency, it will continue being business as usual. Why people still don't get this I don't understand.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: SummerRain

Yeah if only that’s all they did. They are into everything. Plumbing, electrical, roofing, painting, all the used to be good paying trades are paying shhht right now because of this.



Maybe those tradesmen should take it on themselves to switch jobs into something more competitive then?


Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Throes
Check out the UKs defense budget vs. their GDP and then check out the US. What are they going to do, take MORE taxes from us? Will we be happy when the government takes over half of our take home pay?


Our defense budget is essentially the countries form of a safety net. Our military and defense contractors are essentially welfare. We could cut our defense budget to 1/3 of what it currently is, still maintain some force projection capabilities, and fully maintain a national defense.

We don't, because it would put 30 million people out of work.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.

And even if it did, they're clearly doing a better job. If Americans were the better workers, they would be the ones working. Why should business have to settle for second class employees?
edit on 29-7-2018 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.

And even if it did, they're clearly doing a better job. If Americans were the better workers, they would be the ones working. Why should business have to settle for second class employees?


Second class employees that’s real funny. No, your wrong once again. It’s not that they are doing a better job it’s because they do it for far less, which is what is also driving down wages.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.

And even if it did, they're clearly doing a better job. If Americans were the better workers, they would be the ones working. Why should business have to settle for second class employees?


Second class employees that’s real funny. No, your wrong once again. It’s not that they are doing a better job it’s because they do it for far less, which is what is also driving down wages.





They must be second class employees though, if they were first class employees they would get the job over the illegal worker.... Would they not?



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.


Right because they can wire your house, run your plumbing and paint your house using their remote controlled robots from Mexico or whatever country they live in. LMAO



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.

And even if it did, they're clearly doing a better job. If Americans were the better workers, they would be the ones working. Why should business have to settle for second class employees?


Second class employees that’s real funny. No, your wrong once again. It’s not that they are doing a better job it’s because they do it for far less, which is what is also driving down wages.





They must be second class employees though, if they were first class employees they would get the job over the illegal worker.... Would they not?


It makes the American workers first class and the illegals second class. They can’t afford or don’t want to have to afford the first class worker so they go cheap and higher the second class worker that is willing to work for far less.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.

And even if it did, they're clearly doing a better job. If Americans were the better workers, they would be the ones working. Why should business have to settle for second class employees?


Second class employees that’s real funny. No, your wrong once again. It’s not that they are doing a better job it’s because they do it for far less, which is what is also driving down wages.


So they're still winning in the marketplace. Sounds like the Americans are uncompetitive.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.

And even if it did, they're clearly doing a better job. If Americans were the better workers, they would be the ones working. Why should business have to settle for second class employees?


Second class employees that’s real funny. No, your wrong once again. It’s not that they are doing a better job it’s because they do it for far less, which is what is also driving down wages.





They must be second class employees though, if they were first class employees they would get the job over the illegal worker.... Would they not?


It makes the American workers first class and the illegals second class. They can’t afford or don’t want to have to afford the first class worker so they go cheap and higher the second class worker that is willing to work for far less.


You're using class in terms of legal rights, I'm using it in terms of skills. The only way to be first class is to do a better job faster, and for less money. If you can't do that, you've lost the competition and should look for another sector to work in.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

Your arguing incomptence



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.


Right because they can wire your house, run your plumbing and paint your house using their remote controlled robots from Mexico or whatever country they live in. LMAO



Companies relocate all the time. It's a trivial expense. They'll set up whereever the workers are willing to make their builings.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct



I tell you what, if we get rid of all those illegal immigrants there will be 20 MILLION job openings and THAT ALONE will fix the wage issue because with the lack of workers they would have to offer more money.


For sure... just look at all those real Americans rushing to get all those juicy (pun intended) tomato picking jobs. There are already TWO farm jobs for every applicant. Creating a further labor shortage isn't going to put food onto anybody's table (if you catch my drift here).

Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job

If America is overrun by low-skilled migrants... ...then why are fruit and vegetables rotting in the fields waiting to be picked? (This one is behind a pay wall, but it lets you see 3 articles per week before it cuts you off for not subscribing).

Find out how the U.S. farm labor shortage is impacting our nation’s farmers.

Florida Farmers Fear Backlash Over Migrant Worker Visa Program

Small area farms feel effect of labor shortage



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

Or perhaps they shouldn’t have to compete with someone that shouldn’t be here in the first place. Yeah that makes more sense.
I’ve already had this argument with you. If you want to rehash this then you should go back and read the first one where you lost.


It's a global economy. It doesn't matter where they are.

And even if it did, they're clearly doing a better job. If Americans were the better workers, they would be the ones working. Why should business have to settle for second class employees?


Second class employees that’s real funny. No, your wrong once again. It’s not that they are doing a better job it’s because they do it for far less, which is what is also driving down wages.





They must be second class employees though, if they were first class employees they would get the job over the illegal worker.... Would they not?


It makes the American workers first class and the illegals second class. They can’t afford or don’t want to have to afford the first class worker so they go cheap and higher the second class worker that is willing to work for far less.


You're using class in terms of legal rights, I'm using it in terms of skills. The only way to be first class is to do a better job faster, and for less money. If you can't do that, you've lost the competition and should look for another sector to work in.


What don’t you get about the part where Americans should not have to be competing with people that are here ILLEGALLY.????

If the LAW was enforced like it should be the Americans wouldn’t have to compete with people that ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.

They don’t necessarily do a better job. It’s because they do it for far less because they are here ILLEGALLY. And this is what brings down the wages.



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: Alien Abduct



I tell you what, if we get rid of all those illegal immigrants there will be 20 MILLION job openings and THAT ALONE will fix the wage issue because with the lack of workers they would have to offer more money.


For sure... just look at all those real Americans rushing to get all those juicy (pun intended) tomato picking jobs. There are already TWO farm jobs for every applicant. Creating a further labor shortage isn't going to put food onto anybody's table (if you catch my drift here).

Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job

If America is overrun by low-skilled migrants... ...then why are fruit and vegetables rotting in the fields waiting to be picked? (This one is behind a pay wall, but it lets you see 3 articles per week before it cuts you off for not subscribing).

Find out how the U.S. farm labor shortage is impacting our nation’s farmers.

Florida Farmers Fear Backlash Over Migrant Worker Visa Program

Small area farms feel effect of labor shortage


I have nothing against migrant farm workers and I have never argued as such. Also it’s not hard for migrant farm workers to get a work visa. The problem is they come here on a migrant farm worker visa and find out there is more money in the skilled trades and just move on over there and say the hell with the visa.

What about all the ones that are working in electrical, plumbing, carpentry, masonry and other skilled labor work? they work for far less which drives down the wages.

I’m done arguing with you people.
edit on 7/29/2018 by Alien Abduct because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: Alien Abduct



I tell you what, if we get rid of all those illegal immigrants there will be 20 MILLION job openings and THAT ALONE will fix the wage issue because with the lack of workers they would have to offer more money.


For sure... just look at all those real Americans rushing to get all those juicy (pun intended) tomato picking jobs. There are already TWO farm jobs for every applicant. Creating a further labor shortage isn't going to put food onto anybody's table (if you catch my drift here).

Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job

If America is overrun by low-skilled migrants... ...then why are fruit and vegetables rotting in the fields waiting to be picked? (This one is behind a pay wall, but it lets you see 3 articles per week before it cuts you off for not subscribing).

Find out how the U.S. farm labor shortage is impacting our nation’s farmers.

Florida Farmers Fear Backlash Over Migrant Worker Visa Program

Small area farms feel effect of labor shortage


What about all the ones that are working in electrical, plumbing, carpentry, masonry and other skilled labor work? they work for far less which drives down the wages.


That's what happens when corporate greed takes over the government and stamps out the unions.

www.epi.org...
edit on 29-7-2018 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 29 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: Alien Abduct



I tell you what, if we get rid of all those illegal immigrants there will be 20 MILLION job openings and THAT ALONE will fix the wage issue because with the lack of workers they would have to offer more money.


For sure... just look at all those real Americans rushing to get all those juicy (pun intended) tomato picking jobs. There are already TWO farm jobs for every applicant. Creating a further labor shortage isn't going to put food onto anybody's table (if you catch my drift here).

Wages rise on California farms. Americans still don’t want the job

If America is overrun by low-skilled migrants... ...then why are fruit and vegetables rotting in the fields waiting to be picked? (This one is behind a pay wall, but it lets you see 3 articles per week before it cuts you off for not subscribing).

Find out how the U.S. farm labor shortage is impacting our nation’s farmers.

Florida Farmers Fear Backlash Over Migrant Worker Visa Program

Small area farms feel effect of labor shortage


What about all the ones that are working in electrical, plumbing, carpentry, masonry and other skilled labor work? they work for far less which drives down the wages.


That's what happens when corporate greed takes over the government and stamps out the unions.


Yup that’s true. If we had a good grip on the illegal immigration problem the skilled labor jobs would pay a lot higher wage. There is no reason why a man that chooses to go to work doing something that takes a lot of skill and labor as opposed to office work should not be able to support a family very well.

Americans shouldn’t have to compete with ILLEGAL immigrants that shouldn’t be here in the first place that are ruining the labor markets. And you are right it’s the fault of the companies that are hiring them.



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