Poor people in the UK can't eat healthy food because...

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
Being athletic can bring such peace and happiness to a person. I feel sad when I see people go their entire lives without knowing the pure joy of when running feels good.

Speaking of running I was addicted to the endorphins etc in my brain for many years through running. I'd run 5 miles before work, then another 6 afterwards on a different route every day, I was massively addicted and it was such a drug hit.
I had to slow down with it though, it was in the days of crappy running shoes and my joints didn't like it as much as my brain did haha.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Honestly fella both you and Purplemer have changed me, I understand now that antibiotics as a child predispopse kids to become obese, and once they are obese adults then complex socio-psychological factors make it a challenge to reduce energy intake and increase energy usage. It must be an absolute misery for people who are unable to effect any personal change on their obesity.
It is good there are dedicated people such as your goodselves trying to help these millions of victims of circumstances.
Thank you for making a difference

Lol, this ^^^^^

There's no argument. You can hide obesity behind whatever you want. But at the end of the day, it's a choice.

Its not expensive to eat healthier though, that's not valid.

As for the psychological aspects. People would be amazed how much better you feel when you're fit and have a healthy gut.... While I understand some people will have problems either way, I'd say a majority of people would benefit from being in good health.

originally posted by: paraphi
It's the age-old excuse that people who are on welfare, or low incomes, cannot afford a healthy diet. They can only afford to live in MacDonalds, or have takeaway curries. Their kids subsist on sweets and fizzy drinks, and smile at you from fat faces with rotten teeth.

Bad diet and/or low exercise = fat people.

The facts are, as demonstrated, that it's cheaper to make your own food than guzzle processed tat and crap.

It's not just poor people either. The solution is eduction, good food labelling (which is happening) and an exercise bike in every home to power the TV and microwave.

Actually, McDonald's not so cheap any more, just pretty fast, especially when on a half hour lunch break. But then I used to go to the grocery and get organic fried chicken hot and eat on the run. I enjoy cooking but usually don't feel like expending the energy to cook when I get home from work. But I work now in a place where theres a kitchen staff who makes organic wholesome food. First time in my life..... but Im not losing weight because Im stationary at a desk much of the time.
Op is a bit judgemental and not accounting for various situations in people's lives, including factors such as medications. I know someone who walks several miles every Saturday to the post office. Thin as a rail. Exercise is very important. Yes, people can probably change some elements of their lifestyles. But don't put everyone in the same category.
How about age? Metabolism often slows down as we age. Who knows what poisons we unknowingly put in our bodies inadvertently.
The Op is a broad brush even if sometimes right.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I clearly mentioned medical conditions in the OP which by default includes prescribed medication.
My own metabolism has slowed compared to when I was 20 of course so I compensate accordingly.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

No reason to get angry and your tone was very different talking about addicts.

I think if you do some digging, you will find the reasons many people end up addicted to drugs are very similar and calling them lazy is just name calling and just saying they need to stop eating shows very little understanding of the underlying causes.

Yes I see that post now. It was not there when I started replying. Your earlier post just seemed sarcastic. Sorry if I misunderstood.

...but laziness leads to obesity that is for sure

That felt more like your theme here. If it's not, I'm wrong. People who assume the underlying cause is laziness make the situation worse in fact. Lazy is not a cause, it's a symptom of something deeper.

Wasn't your original point that people are fat because they are too lazy to cook?

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: scraedtosleep

A bag of rice is not going to keep you going son. I hope you are adleast eating brown or red rice. That white rice is just emptly calories. Try packing 15 different veg a day and beans. Then you are starting to eat a good diet.

I buy a lot of my food online in bulk and still its more expensive. Breakfast for example. Soaked oats. Chia seeds.. Cannabis seeds. Dates.. Spirinluna, coca powder and bannana and rose root extreact That is a good start to the day. Knocks me with the write omegas for the day and a good whack of nutrients. Now yes i could eat a bowl of rice buy really that does not cut the mustard.

Soaked oats.... blech!!!! Sorry no can do.... did once when younger. Cannabis.... what is the nutritional value ? Im not on board with cannabis, since it is so detrimental to the brain and dna. But whatever. Pumpkin, sesame, sunflower seeds good. Almond and cashew butter good. Brown and basmati rice good. Kale and butternut squash good. Turmeric and ginger good. OH wait I read recently that turmeric from certain countries can contain toxic amounts of lead. Yikes! You just never know.
Rose root, that's interesting..... raw or cooked ?

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: Muninn
Kick them when they are down, classy.

Nonsense. The OP is correct and even provided evidence of how cheap it is to eat healthily in this country.

Are you an obese dole dosser by any chance?

No, I'm 5 11 179 pounds.
I just think fat shaming is immature.

Do you exercise?

Yup, I'm in great shape and I still don't feel the need to fat shame, maybe the op can actually do some help in his community instead of coming on here to shame them from the comforts of his chair.

As a fat person, I want to be sure you know, you aren't speaking for me. I have excuses for why I "can't loose the weight", but they are the same ones that preclude me from excersizing properly, or skipping the fast food. I know why I am like I am, and it will take a few kicks in the ass to get me to loose weight. So it's good to hear encouragement to fix what I know is broke.

This isn't fat shaming, it's reality, and if you are fat, it's not the unicorn story you were looking for, but then, it never claimed to be, now did it?

a reply to: Blaine91555

Yes if one is not working then there is no need to buy fast food. Plenty of time to cook more food from your benefit money and much higher quality.

Anecdotally I have friends on benefits and they freely admit they can't be arsed cooking healthy food. Ordering delivery because to lazy to walk to the shops etc.
Nobody becomes a drug addict through laziness but many people become fat because of it.

Tiny changes can make a massive difference instead of sitting on the sofa all day, and I think we are not helping them by making them out all victims and not just a little lazy sometimes.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I clearly mentioned medical conditions in the OP which by default includes prescribed medication.
My own metabolism has slowed compared to when I was 20 of course so I compensate accordingly.

You said most people in lower echelons of socio economic society... again a rather broad brushstroke . How do you know how many people are in what strata of socio economic levels? You are trying to make a case without any genuine scientific data.

Yah, there is a trend for people who eat a lot of fast food to gain weight. Yes a lot of poor people eat fast food, but then so do busy people who have little time for a lunch break.

I agree that education on nutrition is very important. Yes, people who are poor have a harder time purchasing organic produce. These foods don't last a long time.....you have to consume them fast. I've worked for people with health issues.....they are often unable to clean their own homes. Once a medical condition sets in its harder to break. Smoking definitely an issue. I left a particular job because I was breathing in cigarette smoke from clients who smoked while I was in people's homes. I have worked for people in trailer parks and all sorts of bad conditions.
The human condition is desperate in many instances.
It would be nice if we just had access to great organic and nutritious foods all the time. Every time I go to the whole foods stores...… my food bill goes up. It is expensive to eat that way.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The OP is about Britain though, as others agreed cheap fruit and veg is available easily, free same or next day delivery from the major supermarkets as well.
Poverty is no excuse for not eating healthy. I am poor at the moment due to sporadic working hence I am buying cheap healthy food which I can prepare myself because I have time.

I have to crash out folks but thanks to everyone who has replied tonight.
If anyone replies to me later I'll try to get back to you in the morning but if there are loads since its afternoon in the US you may just get a general thanks off me.
Especially if there are loads of angry ones lol, I've recently given up smoking and can do without debating angry folk.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The OP is about Britain though, as others agreed cheap fruit and veg is available easily, free same or next day delivery from the major supermarkets as well.
Poverty is no excuse for not eating healthy. I am poor at the moment due to sporadic working hence I am buying cheap healthy food which I can prepare myself because I have time.

ok so poor people in Britain are different than poor people in the US?
Then socialism doesn't work because it also makes people lazy. Do you not have socialized medicine in the UK?

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

And just think there are people that have been so fat all their lives that they have no idea what it feels like to run.

The freedom that it brings.

I love going out to the forest that I love a running through the trails.

I'm 38 years old and can still run those trails .

I hope I die before I am unable to do so.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
I have to crash out folks but thanks to everyone who has replied tonight.
If anyone replies to me later I'll try to get back to you in the morning but if there are loads since its afternoon in the US you may just get a general thanks off me.
Especially if there are loads of angry ones lol, I've recently given up smoking and can do without debating angry folk.

Well please don't put me in the angry category. I can argue points without becoming angry. I assure you this is not a debate which angers me. People yelling that they want to murder the President because they hate him bothers me.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Do you not like fat people ?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I spent a lot of my youth running.

Then I got chronic migraine and it became a chore and no longer a freedom. That's about the time my enthusiasm for a lot of things in life died for a good long time.

a reply to: ketsuko

Though not personally I know a little about that pain.

My mom suffered from them for most of her life .

In the end it was her diet change that helped hers.

And a new medication that took them away completely.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Exactly.

Weight gain /lose is all about calorie intake and expenditure. Period.

It is physically impossible for a body to gain mass without mass being added from an outside source.

really...you are so ignorant....you do know about leptin right...it controls appetite...sometimes not enough is made or the body doesn't use it very effectively....what about people who NEVER feel full some felt full for the first time after they had gastric bypass....you heard about the people on the biggest loser....they live breathe sweat and eat weightloss 24 hours a day....somebody ran tests on them...years I mean YEARS after being on the show...ALL of them had a metabolism that was slowed by 400...meaning they are now burning 400 less calories a day because of what they went through on that show....what about people that are ADDICTED to food...what about emontional eaters that went through really bad stuff when they were kids.....

people who are very over weight..it takes a LONG time to lose that weight...fat shaming is not the way

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

It doesn't HAVE to be organic....not everyone has easy access to it, and it is expensive.
And I'm not entirely sure it is always a better option.

Even the grocers fresh fruits and veggies are better than giving in to fast food meals seven days a week.
Buying canned and frozen fruits and veggies....on sale when possible is also an option.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

A general idea for why would be what they eat. Check out a guy on Youtube called Ashens. His reviews of quick foods from pound shops are... well, besides hysterical- are a horror show of chemicals and bland tasting (at least his reaction/ opinion) garbage. *I* wouldn't put 98% of what he reviews in my mouth.