The coming class warfare in the West (and maybe Asian) countries - Wealth disparity widens.

We keep hearing how great the economy is, how low unemployment is, blah blah blah. There seems to be a record that is on repeat or it is skipping and in the same groove over and over. All admins claim these numbers for unemployment, underemployment, etc and what we need to realize is the ever changing way in which these numbers are calculated, what is taken into account for the numbers and what is omitted, and other ways they are manipulated. For many decades it has been known that the actual unemployment numbers are always much greater than what they report by anywhere from 50-200%, it just depends on the metrics they use at the time to come to their numbers. It's much like how some companies (like Tesla) that use unconventional accounting methods to show higher profits when they are actually in the red. It's the same thing for governement numbers in both employment related stats and wealth distribution.

The numbers from 2007, in the US, are pretty disturbing.
top 1% = 35%
Next 4% = 27%
Next 5% = 11%
(So the above is equal to the top 10% of the country controls 73% of the nations wealth)
the Next 10% = 12%
So here are the breakdowns of the top 20% in 2007
Top 1% = 35%
Top 5% = 62%
Top 10% = 73%
Top 20% = 85%
That leaves the bottom 80% controlling 15% of the nations wealth!

The "Middle" 20% = 10%
20% above the bottom the poorest 40% = 4%
Bottom 40% of US has less than 1%
Bottom 80% less than 15%

So the bottom 40% has less than 1%, the next 40% above the bottom has about 14%
Now those were from 2007 and the numbers have gotten worst since the bank bailouts, corporate bail outs, TARP, etc.

Current levels suggest



top 1% = 40% of wealth
Next 4% = 28% of wealth
Next 5% = 14% of wealth
Next 10% = 9% of wealth
Which means:
top 5% control 68% of wealth
Top 10% control 82%
Top 20% control about 91.5~% - leaving only ~9% for the bottom 80%!!!!



The bottom 50% of the nation control less than 1% of wealth
The 15% above the bottom 50% (called upper lower class) control about 2-2.5% of wealth
The 15% above the "upper lower class" (called "lower middle class") control about - 6-7% of national wealth
These numbers show (which have been rounded up to show a rosier picture) show that the bottom 80% control 8.5-10% of national wealth while the top 20% control 90 - 91.5%!

Now what these numbers don't really take into account is the fact that the bottom 80% are usually in some kind of debt from extreme to moderate, which actually decreases these numbers to where the bottom 50% control less that 1/2 of 1% of all the wealth in the US! SO if there were 1,000,000 people in the US and the wealth was also 1,000,000, then 500,000 of these people would control less than $5,000 of the $1million example. That means that each of the 1/2 million people would have about $.01 each.

Now with the same example, $1,000,000 national wealth and 1,000,000 people, the 1% would make up 10,000 people and would control $400,000 or about $40 each, compared to the penny each of the 500,000 of the lowest 50% have, that is a 4000x difference in wealth for each of the 1/2 million people, not just the 10,000 of the top 1%. This number has grown from about 50-200x at the turn of the 19th century to increasing anywhere form 20-80x, largely due to political economic policies, fraud, lobbying, subsidies, etc, all of which are meant to extort the lower 80% and move their money to the wealthy.

Same million person, million dollar national wealth, the top 20% control about $910,000 leaving $90,000 (or less after personal debt is calcualted into the poor peoples wealth) for the bottom 8000,000 people - meaning the average is about that each of these lower 80$ control just 11 cents each of the national $1 million dollars - the top 20% have an average of $4.60 each or on average 51x the wealth of each of the lower 80%. This might not sound like much but when we look at inflation, cost of living, etc, this wealth gap is MUCH worse than these numbers show.

Now we are talking about real income, not the $1,000,000 national wealth example
When a person with a $30,000 income spends 80%+ of their earnings on necessities, rent/mortgage, food, insurance(s), education, etc this can eat up 80-90% of the persons income - so 80% of $30K = $24,000. Now take someone who is making on average 51x more than this person (as shown in paragraph above) that is equal to everyone in the top 20 % making $1,530,000 per year. Now they could live on the same level as the lowest people at $24,000 per year (though most all choose not to), which means after their $24,000 expenses they would still have $1,506,000 left. so lets double to 24,000 to $48,000 and the would still have $1,482,000 left after paying expenses. This money is what makes them able to start businesses, out price smaller competitors (who are actually working hard, sinking every penny into thier business) and it is only a matter of time before the small business goes bust due to being undercut by the larger competitors. They almost never stand a chance unless they have some breakthrough technology and in those cases they are often forced to sell or spend all their money in court litigation (eventually bankrupting them, and have to give company away for MAYBE a penny on the dollar).

I suggest watching a movie called "Us and Them" released in 2017 or so, its is about this issue and is based in the UK. It gives great examples of what people in other nations are facing and what may be a way to deal with it.

www.imdb.com...

If people don't stand up and take action, things are only going to get worse. The left is helping as much as they can in some ways to further this divide and the right is doing the same, only in a different manner. Remember that the political left/right paradigm is completely manufactured and they are both wings of the same bird, 2 sides of the same coin, etc.

The biggest myth is that is one only worked hard, had the "right" education, they would be rich as well. Also, another myth is that there is a reason that these CEO (for any company) deserver to be paid 1,000 - 30,000x the normal wage of their workers (often not including bonuses and stock options) - this myth is that they are "especially gifted and that not many can do the job". while this has a crumb of truth in it, there are MANY more people who can do this and their ability is nothing special in the greater scheme of things. I mean look, a mediocare reality TV star is now Pres of the US, who thinks he $hits golden turds that smell like roses - it is a mindset that is both denial and a defensive mechanism. Also, working for change through political means will NEVER change the current issues, unless there is some kind of catastrophe where the majority of government officials die and there is an entire new "class" of people coming in to fill the roles.

I can see on other method than open warfare between the classes, watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants alike. Those who choose to support the ruling class will find themselves being treated the same as their masters when this happens, so they need to be warned. This is not a threat of my making, this is factual history which repeats itself whenever inequality such as this arises. It is analalysis of history and the wealthy know it, which is why they are poisoning the masses form chem-trails




Top 20% has about 90 - 91.5% of wealth

Don't worry when mad Max times are here they will be the first swinging from the lampposts.
Along with the politicians and traffic wardens.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

As long as people have their smart phones, big screen TVs and beer they will stay appeased.

You are correct. We have a fracturing happening in society.

The problems are many.

The biggest problem is the government getting involved in redistributing wealth. They take money from successful business's and people and give to others in the form of subsidies. They essentially decide who gets to win and lose rather than leaving it up to the market.

Social welfare creates a problem in the economy as well because it enables low wages. It also takes power away from the individual by reducing their wages. Look at how social security works. They take money from both you and your employer, money that could be in YOUR pocket that you could potential turn into larger sums of money over periods of time.

Get the government out of our business and the economy will change fundamentally. Also, they need to start trust busting. There is a point where a business becomes so massive that it has an impact on our entire planet and that shouldn't be happen.

originally posted by: testingtesting
Don't worry when mad Max times are here they will be the first swinging from the lampposts.
Along with the politicians and traffic wardens.

I look forward to fighting some of you in the blood dome! Death to the non-converts of the new world.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

As long as people have their smart phones, big screen TVs and beer they will stay appeased.

Yeah...

Shame about all the drugs being sold to kids, kids selling drugs, people killing people over measly sums of money. Generally people thriving on the misery of others.

The TV, the beer, smartphones or even drugs don't work on everyone, seemingly it makes them worse, more vile and greedy.

Monkey see monkey do.

The system isn't broken, it's categorically screwed. It'll get worse when Asian nations with "peasant" classes demand a few more pennies, worse for us and violently worse for them.

How is that wealth disparity compared to 1950? 1900? 1850? 1800? I would think that even a "poor" person in the west is fairing far better than they would have been 100 years ago.

Actually I know they would be because all of my grand parents and their lineage were poor. I think that technology has really brought an outstanding thing to humanity and that we should be humbled by the comforts we do have even if we don't have that expensive sports car or that mcMansion with that giant closet for our wives fancy shoe collection.

This was a well thought out post.

However, the bottom 50% who control nothing basically also wouldn't have a clue on how to effectively organize any kind of rebellion. If they did succeed in starting a battle, it would be quickly put down.

Also, don't you think that many of the wealthy people have contingency plans just in case there is any kind of situation including a war against the rich?

Just thinking out loud

The war of the greedy rich against the majority of 99% worldwide is the root of almost all evil on earth.

Those rich people need wars to sell their weapons, to lend money to all sides of the conflicts. They need terror to scare the hell out of not much thinking people, so that they beg for a surveillance state, more powers to the police and secret services, etc.

They deal with food, to make more money, and people die from starvation because of that. They steal water and sell it to the people of the land where they stole it, if these people have enough money to pay for their own water. Billions worldwide work as wage slaves, give away their lifetime to get some crumbs, while making the rich richer.

Everybody else than the rich people get less and less, so there is more left the rich can put under their fat a$$es. They turned that Robin Hood "game" into a reversed Robin Hood "game", they steal from even the poorest devil but to keep it for their won. Not even needing it anymore.

I am not saying that all rich people are like this, maybe not the "bigwig" in his mansion, down the street, who maybe really worked legally for his money, for his little mansion. I am talking about those that never worked in their live, that live in another world than average people. Those that look down from above to you, because they think to inherit money, to have money and letting that money "work", to dodge taxes turns them into godlike beings. Those that think that somebody can be proud of something like this. Those that gave away character, nature, personality for money.

Everything on earth has to do with money these greedy rich want to make, to get richer and richer.

But they feel that the time of the peoples revenge will maybe come sooner than later, otherwise those beings wouldn´t "prep" like lunatics, since several years. They ignored their whole lives that earth is the only earth we all live on. They will be remembered when something like the french revolution, but (western?)worldwide, happens or happened. No useless prepping needed, until you don´t flee to Mars or wherever in space!

There needs to be an extensive study of tax codes. On of the most insidious is property tax and those who have the power to raise these taxes. It may be THE MOST damaging tax to the lower 80% which they face and there needs to be something done about it. Most know that these taxes are touted as "for the children" and we know that is BS. The taxes go to building un-needed new schools (complete modernization of schools just 8-15 years old) to make them look like palaces for the entitled little snots (not all, but many are like this). On top of this the teachers unions are just as at fault for this and they are as much to blame (along with the teachers) with the degredation of society as they have been getting increasing amounts of money to spend per student and the outcome (grades, graduation, etc) have plummeted over the lase 40-50 years while pay has steadily risen, along with the golden parachetes, pensions, benefits, etc. This HAS to stop.

Teaching is a calling and I don't mean a calling for those who want job security and garunteed retirement income (often as high as their working salaries with no end on how long they can collect). Their benefits need to be limited to something like 33% of their working years. Work 30 years, get a 10 year pension, not 20, 30, 40, etc.

Teacher retention also needs to be contingent upon the success of the teacher, how well their students do and I am not saying that the teacher can just pass kids on to the next grade, learning next to nothing in the current one. They need to have tests (which are different every year and a standardized fashion to give a real picture of their level of education). The teachers who can't teach students to a certain level are fired. No pension (or a greatly reduced level) and if they want to work again, they start from the bottom and have to work up again. Tenure needs to be done away with in both K-12 an colleges except for teachers who go above and beyond and actually get results. These teachers are worth whatever we can pay them and retention is paramount for these people. It is fair to pay great teachers MUCH more than piss poor teachers and the unions who don't support this need to be ground into dust.

Without an educated youth (and not just rote learning/memorization, but comprehensive understanding of the subject) this wealth gap is going to get worse and the young children are going to never leave poverty and will rely on government for life (which I think is the current plan).

There is no reason that students can't learn in a 30-50 year old builing. I went to college in a 100+ year old building which was more than adequate for the topic being taught. Had they renovated it for the estimated $24,000,000 (it only had about 14 class rooms of 25 students), they would not have learned any better and the old buildings actually have charm and a story behind them. It is nice talking to Alumni who were in the same classroom 40+ years ago and sharing stories. now Alumni have no connection to the new campuses and there is a huge disconnect between graduates and new students.

The biggest problem is when the government points the finger at struggling businesses or industries and says "it's because of the market you are failing, you need to work harder or smarter - meaning lay people off or work them harder with less pay". But when it comes to finance, defense contractors, etc, whenever they F'up, there are bailouts, often greater than what the actual losses were, and the market has nothing to do with their situation. They are in this position because of their greed - NOTHING else. These companies go on to rake in exhortation profits and most often pay little to no income taxes which is why the wealth gap has greatly increased in the last 11 years.

We ned to see these people in charge of government contractors put in jail or executed for treason (double to quadruple billing for the same part for military contractors for expensive parts like computer control systems costing $millions each - delivering one part but charging the gov 2-4x for it, or intentionally selling defective hardware to later sell good stuff at 2-4x the cost. This is conspiracy, fraud and treason and the penalty should be hanging along the Mall in DC for the perpetrators. We just need to make sure that the scapegoats aren't put in place of the real criminals.

We also need to create a robust system for whistle blowing where there is a large payout to those who provide complete proof of these crimes. The whistle blowers need to be protected (not by gov, but they the 80%) in an "underground rail road" of some kind, where they can disappear, much like Snow den.

When whistle blowing there needs to be some kind of 501C3/4 formed in their name where people can contribute to help support these people and their families, possibly find jobs in like minded companies. When they blow the wistle, the government needs to contribute to these funds which upon providing the proof of wrong doing, the whistle blower can access these funds (possibly with help of others in a community to help give cover/insulation to the whistle blower).

If a company is making say $1 billion of fraudulent double to quadruple billing on contracts, the fines levied against the company need to be a MINIMUM the total amount embezzled plus a percent from 150-400%, so a $1 billion fraud will cost the company % $1.5 - $4 billion dollars - that is a deterrent. This money will go to recover the cost of the fraud paid out, another percent of say 5-20% will go to the whistle blower (protected in a 501c3/4 which CAN NOT BE TAXED or frozen by the government), and another 5-20% should go to a whistle blower organization to help support other whistle blowers who aren't reporting high value fraud, but maybe abuse of power that doesn't have such a financial reward for reporting - but they still need a reward and a means of survival.

Companies which refuse to pay the 150-400% settlement shall be barred from any government contract for life, all members on the board shall never work again in any company which does business with government, and all assets of the company will be frozen and sold off to pay for the fine. We must be careful a company does not claim bankruptcy and try to hide assets, sell the company to another corporation. If they do this, any company involved in the acquisition will be facing the same penalties as the company which committed the crimes.

On top of the financial penalty, those who were involved shall face extended periods of jail (in harsh jails, not min security club FED) along with normal "street' criminals, violent offenders, etc, the same people they are trying to take advantage of. No protective custody or special privileges, nothing. Leave then their belt and shoe laces in their holding cells, and maybe things will work themselves out and save tax payers money. They should have to work like the "common criminal" in sweat shops, for the $.10 - $.22 per hour for back breaking work. No early release, entire sentence must be served for people committing these acts.



We need to start a thread where people post what they see as what's wrong with the US gov/society, what they think the causes are, and what could be done to fix it or at MINIMUM be a great deterrence to committing these crimes.

I think a war is just what controllers need, in fact...order out of chaos. Who's order? Definitely not our order.

It could be real or contrived it could be wars of wealth, race, religion, sexual orientation...who the president is...all of the above.

The masses would be keen to ignore the bait and focus on the information/knowledge war.

Bull and crap.

Between unfunded liabilites, and house hold assets that account for over $200 trillion dollars.

Unfunded liability's monies OWE to the 'people'.

Yall got exactly jack snip to cry about.

www.usdebtclock.org...

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

As long as people have their smart phones, big screen TVs and beer they will stay appeased.

a reply to: Wildbob77

Also, don't you think that many of the wealthy people have contingency plans just in case there is any kind of situation including a war against the rich?

There are literally hundreds of links online to advice about the cheapest/fastest places to buy foreign citizenship/passport. Only the poor are stuck in this "country". The wealthy all have their bug out points. You would have to literally shut down and/or disable every airport in the country to prevent their escape. And worse....their ill gotten gains are already parked offshore.

The lower 80% made it possible for the upper 20% to rise to their positions of wealth and power.

If something catastrophic were to completely erase our current society and all its divisions, the majority would soon re-establish an elite class, just as they have done time and again.

It is in the nature of humans to form “tribes”, and tribes, by their nature have “leaders”.

These leaders become the “elite”, and the elite become empowered to gather all the wealth and power of the society unto themselves.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

If you're in your 20's and early 30's, Sport is the only means of having enough cash to buy things, especially when it comes to property! If you go into most other every day jobs, you're never gonna be able to afford a property and will forever be in debt to the Banksters!

Why do you think a lot of young get into drugs trade and most girls go into Prostitution?