Without evidence, Trump claims documents confirm misconduct

a reply to: Arnie123

Yes they are.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Arnie123

Yes they are.

Naw, they don't.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
A Review of the DOJ/FBI FISA Application Release…

Having read, re-read and re-re-read, the recent FISA application release, here’s my take at both the 30,000 ft and granular level.

First, the elevated review is actually more interesting than the granular, which is remarkably odd considering how far we have traveled with this story.

Why publicly release the FISA application? After all, even with the voluminous redactions, it is very unusual and it would have been exceptionally easy to deny any FOIA request under the auspices of national security. To highlight this question, consider how stunned Fran Townsend was at the release: “Having run The Justice Dept office responsible for #FISA The release of these documents is irresponsible & will irreversibly weaken counterintelligence & Counterterrorism investigations going forward.”

click link for article...

This lays out everything wrong with the FISA bs and why its illegal.

Interesting article with interesting analysis of the timeline of the entire episode.
The timeline seems to be an issue for the people "in charge" of the investigation.
Also the release of this (from the link) is problematic:

If Carter Page was an FBI asset and witness, responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013, and remained so throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how the f**k it is possible that on October 21st, 2016, Carter Page is put under a FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?

It appears to me the whole house of cards is falling.
Spying on ones political opposition is dirty business, and I don't think the public at large will be accepting of that practice.

originally posted by: Sillyolme

originally posted by: Xcathdra
A Review of the DOJ/FBI FISA Application Release…

Having read, re-read and re-re-read, the recent FISA application release, here’s my take at both the 30,000 ft and granular level.

First, the elevated review is actually more interesting than the granular, which is remarkably odd considering how far we have traveled with this story.

Why publicly release the FISA application? After all, even with the voluminous redactions, it is very unusual and it would have been exceptionally easy to deny any FOIA request under the auspices of national security. To highlight this question, consider how stunned Fran Townsend was at the release: “Having run The Justice Dept office responsible for #FISA The release of these documents is irresponsible & will irreversibly weaken counterintelligence & Counterterrorism investigations going forward.”

click link for article...

This lays out everything wrong with the FISA bs and why its illegal.

To bad legal experts are saying exactly the opposite.

To bad they are wrong.

How many PC statements have you written?

a reply to: Kharron

" NEW YORK — Documents released on Saturday related to the wiretapping of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page reveal information that contributed to the government’s application to monitor Page originated with the State Department under the Obama administration in October 2016. "


www.breitbart.com... ng-with-hoax-dossier-author/

Confirmed .

a reply to: shooterbrody

Well they won't have to be accepting of it because obviously from the fisa warrant that didn't happen.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So glad you think you know better than the legal experts. How vain of you.
Where is your law degree good buddy?

a reply to: Arnie123

What about Trey Gowdy? what about Lindsay Graham? They also say the application does not support what trump claims.
This route is a dead end.

EDIT TO CORRECT

Lindsay Graham did not agree. My mistake. He agrees with trump for once lol.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Yes because breitbart is so reliable. Lol

a reply to: Sillyolme

But what ? At the very least pontificate an appropriate anwser. Is it not true that the former CIA Director accussed the President of treason? Do you REALLY believe that Trump committed treason or is it just good political theater to make the accusations with no evidence to score political points ?

Did Adam Schiff not say, on more than one occasion, that "Russia must have something on the President" ? Did he offer any evidence ? No, again it is politically expedient to make the claim to score points.

Does the unredacted portion of the FISA warrant confirm that the Steele dossier was used as a basis to obtain the warrant ? Something initially denied only later another claim made that other evidence was used as well ?

Does the released warrant also confirm that an article written by Michael Isikoff was used as a basis for the warrant ? An article that sourced the Steele dossier for its informaton which is basically using the same source twice.

I have said it before and will say again, if something went down then everyone needs to be punished to include the President if the evidence supports it. But so far the so called evidence is a unverified report written by a former foreign spy who gathered his information from former Russian spies whom were paid for information, any information.

The FBI did not even bother to verify the dossier information before using it to obtain a warrant. Steele admitted he did not verify the "salacious" information and the FBI might have paid for the information.

That is not the way it is suppose to work. Rodger Stone has not been charged as of this date and could be but what will the charge be ? Any conviction will be dubious if they can obtain one which I doubt.

Immunity has already been given to Tony Podesta whom is guilty of what Flynn did and helped Manafort do the things he is accussed of. How is that okie dokie in your world ?

You are a smart person, this thing stinks to high heaven and it is beginning to unravel. Will you put your head in the sand or will you at least admit to yourself that the something there is in reality over there on the other side

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody

Well they won't have to be accepting of it because obviously from the fisa warrant that didn't happen.

You do understand that the jumping off point for this entire event is the fisa warrant against Page?
If that warrant was obtained illegally the entire investigation is gone.

Perhaps you can explain how one is an "asset" in may then an "agent of a foreign power" in october?
Perhaps you can explain how there are no charges against the "agent of a foreign power" that began the investigation?
NONE of the charges issued up to the current date have ANYTHING to do with us citizens colluding with russians to effect the 2016 presidential election, and the fbi and doj have bent over backwards in statements to make sure that fact is known.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: CigaretteByrnes

I can't help but think a lot of them are just hanging on to save face.

I try to tell them that there's no shame in admitting you made a poor choice for poor reasons. Though im sure some of them are very nice people, the ones left are angry, irrational and delusional. More so than usual. Not just here. They are vile, angry, irrational and delusional all over the interweb.

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