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Is Trump The Toughest Ever On Russia?

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posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:21 PM
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"There's never been a president as tough on Russia as I have been," Trump told reporters on Wednesday.


We all know the President exaggerates a lot .... I mean a lot.

So is he right or is he exaggerating again on this one?

According to NPR news and their guest Daniel Vajdich this particular time Trump is telling the truth.


That might sound like hyperbole, but in this case, there's actually some basis for the president's boast.

"When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.


But there is a bit of a caveat NPR is quick to tell us.


Whatever tough policies the White House may have adopted toward Moscow also have to be weighed against Trump's rhetoric, which is consistently friendly to Putin. 


I was always thought that actions speak louder than words; but apparently when it comes to diplomacy actions and words have a more equal status.

So there you have it; Trump has been tough(est) on Russia; yet is friendly with Vladimir Putin....

Kinda makes you wonder why Putin is friendly with Trump in return? Especially if Trump's administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era...

Maybe we all have this backwards. Maybe its Trump who's the puppet master not Putin.

www.npr.org...
edit on 20-7-2018 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:26 PM
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You know, I have often wondered why people thought that Putin would have picked Trump.

Let's see what he has done since he got in.

He eased regulations so that we are now pretty much energy-independent.

He's made deals with Russia's neighbors for oil and natural gas.

He has effectively crippled Russia financially in about 18 months.

SoOo... Putin's evil plan was to get Trump in office to financially cripple his country?

Or Putin could have gone with Contestant #2... which he had already paid for.

Where is the rational thinking here?

Things I think about...


edit on 20-7-2018 by Lumenari because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat


Trump is diplomatic when meeting the U.S.'s enemies. The press calls it being friendly, and they speak of it as it's a bad thing, but when he say's things that are not friendly they still speak of it like it is a bad thing. That should tell us all something. Trump takes action if he has to, just like in another thread where the pentagon was sending 200 million in military support to the Ukraine. It doesn't matter what he does, the press #voiceofdeepstate will say it isn't good.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari




Where is the rational thinking here?



Excellent question. This is where TDS comes in. I am starting to think it stands for The Deep State.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Interesting take on your thoughts in this piece.



In addition to the ever-increasing economic, political, and diplomatic sanctions against Russia, Trump began destruction of the anti-American Axis Russia-Syria-Iran-North Korea. All these countries are under U.S. sanctions, but Trump took aim for a complete split of this coalition and recently began the process of North Korea’s withdrawal from the Axis. Trump canceled Obama’s shameful deal with Iran. The growing U.S. oil and gas industry leads to a reduction in oil prices and slowly but surely stifles the primary sponsors of the Syrian regime – Russia and Iran.


Maybe he is the puppet master who really does want to change things. Makes sense and explains why the swamp is so unhinged.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: Maluhia
a reply to: Lumenari

Interesting take on your thoughts in this piece.



In addition to the ever-increasing economic, political, and diplomatic sanctions against Russia, Trump began destruction of the anti-American Axis Russia-Syria-Iran-North Korea. All these countries are under U.S. sanctions, but Trump took aim for a complete split of this coalition and recently began the process of North Korea’s withdrawal from the Axis. Trump canceled Obama’s shameful deal with Iran. The growing U.S. oil and gas industry leads to a reduction in oil prices and slowly but surely stifles the primary sponsors of the Syrian regime – Russia and Iran.


Maybe he is the puppet master who really does want to change things. Makes sense and explains why the swamp is so unhinged.



The swamp is just one level, he's also disrupting the new world order and protect America from losing its sovereignty from globalist.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

NPR's analysis is stupid then.

If your actions indicate you mean business, expressly signalling you are open to more favorable relations is a good thing between nuclear power adversaries. The left used to believe that. But because Trump is in office, they of course don't anymore.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat

"There's never been a president as tough on Russia as I have been," Trump told reporters on Wednesday.


We all know the President exaggerates a lot .... I mean a lot.

So is he right or is he exaggerating again on this one?

According to NPR news and their guest Daniel Vajdich this particular time Trump is telling the truth.


That might sound like hyperbole, but in this case, there's actually some basis for the president's boast.

"When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.


But there is a bit of a caveat NPR is quick to tell us.


Whatever tough policies the White House may have adopted toward Moscow also have to be weighed against Trump's rhetoric, which is consistently friendly to Putin. 


I was always thought that actions speak louder than words; but apparently when it comes to diplomacy actions and words have a more equal status.

So there you have it; Trump has been tough(est) on Russia; yet is friendly with Vladimir Putin....

Kinda makes you wonder why Putin is friendly with Trump in return? Especially if Trump's administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era...

Maybe we all have this backwards. Maybe its Trump who's the puppet master not Putin.

www.npr.org...


I dont think or believe it - Its factually accurate that he's tougher on Russia than at least the last three administrations. Rhetorically, being "friendly" is a negotiation tool the leaves an opening, but carrying a big stick. Generally speaking hes said no different than Obama or any other previous President regarding the relationship. Obama also met privately with Putin and was tucking it up with him same for Bill and Hillary.

The media and the democrats are reckless liars that is not telling the the truth and spitting out a false narrative. They are a disgrace in that they are trying push that the president committed reason. People don't even know what it means and they aren't even using it properly.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: loam
a reply to: DanDanDat

NPR's analysis is stupid then.

If your actions indicate you mean business, expressly signalling you are open to more favorable relations is a good thing between nuclear power adversaries. The left used to believe that. But because Trump is in office, they of course don't anymore.



Exact and they say it's going to be the apocaplype when Trump tweets Rocket Man, can barely fire one missile past Japan - while concocted a false narrative and over exagerating inconsequential facebook trolls as if it were pearl harbor or 911 and prodding the the leader of a country thay has actually just as many if not more active and deployed nukes than America!



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Trump is a coward when it comes to Russia.

He didn't have the balls to acknowledge the guy hacked and interfered with the election process in 2016 then when he arrived at Washington, only decided to acknowledge then.

He's made every effort to block sanction efforts by congress, all which have failed as sanctions have gone ahead.

He's done nadda about Crimea, aside from indicating it's made up mostly of Russians. Gee, looks like he'll be conceding that.

Has said little to nothing about the Ukrainian issue.

The question isn't whether he is a coward, the question is why? Do they have the goods on him or is her just terrible at this statesman stuff?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 11:29 PM
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Too much toughness could end all our lives. Dims probably want that, since theyre so miserable.



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: mkultra11

originally posted by: Maluhia
a reply to: Lumenari

Interesting take on your thoughts in this piece.



In addition to the ever-increasing economic, political, and diplomatic sanctions against Russia, Trump began destruction of the anti-American Axis Russia-Syria-Iran-North Korea. All these countries are under U.S. sanctions, but Trump took aim for a complete split of this coalition and recently began the process of North Korea’s withdrawal from the Axis. Trump canceled Obama’s shameful deal with Iran. The growing U.S. oil and gas industry leads to a reduction in oil prices and slowly but surely stifles the primary sponsors of the Syrian regime – Russia and Iran.


Maybe he is the puppet master who really does want to change things. Makes sense and explains why the swamp is so unhinged.



The swamp is just one level, he's also disrupting the new world order and protect America from losing its sovereignty from globalist.



I feel you nailed it. One nation can and will lose its sovereignty over bad trade deals. Kind of like that horse thing.



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 03:05 AM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: DanDanDat

Trump is a coward when it comes to Russia.

His actions as President contradict your opinion.



He didn't have the balls to acknowledge the guy hacked and interfered with the election process in 2016 then when he arrived at Washington, only decided to acknowledge then.

Just like our intelligence agencies dismissed it under Obama, as that is something they do on a REGULAR BASIS.


He's made every effort to block sanction efforts by congress, all which have failed as sanctions have gone ahead.

Source please?


He's done nadda about Crimea, aside from indicating it's made up mostly of Russians. Gee, looks like he'll be conceding that.

Crimea is soooo 2014. Good thing Barrack handled that one....oh wait he didn't?


Has said little to nothing about the Ukrainian issue.

I'm willing to bet dimes to dollars that you have zero freaking clue on that aspect.


The question isn't whether he is a coward, the question is why?

You say that as you hide behind an online personality. You would never say the things you do in public that you do on ATS.

That tells a lot.

Troll.



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

After Hillary/CIA/Obama/McCain/NATO triggered the Syrian Civil War, and sent in Al Qaeda / ISIS as mercs to do it, who the are we to lecture anyone about anything to do with border wars?

FFS are you people completely over the rainbow moonbat insane???



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 05:33 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian
Why does he need to do anything about Crimea, NATO owns 30% of Syria now. Sounds like a fair trade to me. Better than fair I would say.



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

All I would like is Trump to speak of Russia the same way, say, he speaks of Canada or Germany. Then I'm good.

And Putin IS NOT OUR FRIEND. Just because he seems friendly, does not make him a good person or someone who has our best interest at heart.

Stop kissing Russia's butt.

Diplomacy doesn't mean you have to bow to the guy and shower him with praise. Putin is a thug and murderer. Period.



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 07:23 AM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: DanDanDat

Trump is a coward when it comes to Russia.

He didn't have the balls to acknowledge the guy hacked and interfered with the election process in 2016 then when he arrived at Washington, only decided to acknowledge then.

He's made every effort to block sanction efforts by congress, all which have failed as sanctions have gone ahead.

He's done nadda about Crimea, aside from indicating it's made up mostly of Russians. Gee, looks like he'll be conceding that.

Has said little to nothing about the Ukrainian issue.

The question isn't whether he is a coward, the question is why? Do they have the goods on him or is her just terrible at this statesman stuff?

W
Coward? Why did Obama order a stand down on Russia cyber attacks when he was in charge?
edit on 21-7-2018 by mkultra11 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: loam
a reply to: DanDanDat

NPR's analysis is stupid then.

If your actions indicate you mean business, expressly signalling you are open to more favorable relations is a good thing between nuclear power adversaries. The left used to believe that. But because Trump is in office, they of course don't anymore.



NPR isn't stupid; they are hedging per their bias.

I listen to NPR a lot; mainly because they have very few commercials. But their reporting is very good. Where they have a problem is a strong bias on domestic political issues. On non political or foreign political stories I'd say they are one of the best around; for domestic political issues the listener has to take the bias into account, but after that the reporting is more in depth than you can get else where (besides reaching a topic by your self)

In this case they set off to answer the question "Is Trump The Toughest Ever On Russia?" and got the wrong answer from their guest expert... so they added their caveat to make their primary viewers and donors happy.



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: DanDanDat

Trump is a coward when it comes to Russia.

He didn't have the balls to acknowledge the guy hacked and interfered with the election process in 2016 then when he arrived at Washington, only decided to acknowledge then.

He's made every effort to block sanction efforts by congress, all which have failed as sanctions have gone ahead.

He's done nadda about Crimea, aside from indicating it's made up mostly of Russians. Gee, looks like he'll be conceding that.

Has said little to nothing about the Ukrainian issue.

The question isn't whether he is a coward, the question is why? Do they have the goods on him or is her just terrible at this statesman stuff?


According to the NPR article you are being factually wrong here. For example:


The president also agreed to send lethal weapons to Ukraine — a step that Obama resisted. 



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: MiddleInsite
a reply to: DanDanDat

All I would like is Trump to speak of Russia the same way, say, he speaks of Canada or Germany. Then I'm good.

And Putin IS NOT OUR FRIEND. Just because he seems friendly, does not make him a good person or someone who has our best interest at heart.

Stop kissing Russia's butt.

Diplomacy doesn't mean you have to bow to the guy and shower him with praise. Putin is a thug and murderer. Period.


So unlike NPR, who has taken a stance where actions and words are equal when it comes to diplomacy; Your opinion is that the only thing that matters are the words and that actions are meaningless?

So long as Trump speaks harshly to Russia your happy; his administrations actions are irrelevant?


When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.


I guess this is where we are as a nation now. Decades of do nothing leaders who only lent lip service to an issue has turned us into an electeret who not only expects this tenancy from our leaders ... but who get upset when we get something else.




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