Suck it up... buttercup!

a reply to: six67seven

I'll give you that.

Don't give an inch.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Kharron

What policies of the Trump administration fill you with seething hatred, anger, angst?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Kharron

well, you can either make thread after thread, shedding bucket after bucket of tears over Trump being the elected president of the United States, or, you could start making threads about the next Democratic politician who will run for president and fix everything just like you like it.

But if you choose to keep making threads, I am not sure the end result will be as satisfying. (negativity is bad for you)

I'm sorry you aren't happy and can't find a way to deal with this reality. Perhaps if you moved to California........

And what if I'm not a Democrat? Or if I don't see anyone in our current political atmosphere to call good? Anyone.

Is it then OK to simply get behind making sure the current catastrophe does not get out of hand, by countering dis-info, pointing out when sources are junk, trying to get people to search and look things up for themselves?

Rhetorical question, that one, since that is exactly what I will keep doing, before we get to the point where everything we hear and read is a lie.

Maybe some of you guys should step back and realize that if everyone who you called a Democrat was ACTUALLY a Democrat, this buffoon would not be in office. There can't possibly be as many Democrats out here as you guys make it out to be.

a reply to: six67seven

That's your take on the polls and whatever info you're considering - I'll give you that.

No, with respect, thats what the polls say, its not a opinion its a absolute fact, that when you look at a aggregate of recognised polls looking at Trumps approval he is regarded as a unpopular president.

But you can find a supporter for every hater.

In the most literal sense, no you can't.

And that doesn't take into consideration that fact many are frightened to admit support from Trump, and for good reason.

Polls usually anonymise those taking part but lets just set that aside for a moment.

I don't think there would be many (not saying it docent happen) who would be frightened to admit to being a Trump supporter, thats just pure speculation on your part.

And lastly, even if you're right, there is nothing wrong with being in the minority on this issue. Trump is the president... the minority is happy.

I am not saying that there is anything wrong with anyone individual holding the view that Trumps the best thing since sliced bread, it might not be my opinion but I am not going to be so arrogant as to tell you who you should and shouldn't like according to my personal preferences. All I am saying is that when you look at a range of indicators you are in the minority when you say you support Trump.

You should be happy, your guy won, seems to be doing stuff you like, so yeah, be happy about it if thats something thats important to you, am not trying to take that away just saying that you seem to be in the minority and should therefore accept that not everyone sees things like you do when it comes to him.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Kharron

What policies of the Trump administration fill you with seething hatred, anger, angst?

Because he's a doodoo head😲

a reply to: Kharron

Just answer me one question...Do you see Trump as your President?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

No, with respect, thats what the polls say, its not a opinion its a absolute fact, that when you look at a aggregate of recognised polls looking at Trumps approval he is regarded as a unpopular president.

With respect the polls had Hillary winning with a 98%~ chance.

While you're probably right his polls lean unfavorable (and are probably correct) I wouldn't call them absolute fact.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: Kharron

Just answer me one question...Do you see Trump as your President?

He is whether they like it or not.

Just like we had to suffer under 8 years of hype, and blame.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: Kharron

Just answer me one question...Do you see Trump as your President?

No, because he's the dictator of zirland (gender sensitive).

He's all of our PAPA.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Polls again... the history speaks for itself... popularity during presidencies is rarely pretty and when it is it isn't lasting. I don't care about polls. The only facts of polls is that they produce a %, but again, as we've seen, that percentage isn't necessarily fact. Case and point, 2016.

You too are spitting plenty of speculation yourself so don't act like it's one-sided.

You and I will never convince one another, and I don't care to address every single line/comment/point of a post like you do, so I'll likely not respond to you going forward. Just FYI

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: Kharron

Just answer me one question...Do you see Trump as your President?

Absolutely. He is my President.

I don't think he acts like one, but that's why there is so much in the news about it.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

No its theory, fact is based on full data sets. Do you believe the same people that visit Breitbart for a poll also visit Huffington post for a poll?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

No, with respect, thats what the polls say, its not a opinion its a absolute fact, that when you look at a aggregate of recognised polls looking at Trumps approval he is regarded as a unpopular president.

With respect the polls had Hillary winning with a 98%~ chance.

While you're probably right his polls lean unfavorable I wouldn't call them absolute fact.

Nope, RealClearPolitics.

The above link is a bit of a archive of what the polls were saying, its not exhaustive but it does provide some context at the very least. I don't think there was ever a poll that gave her a 98% chance. If you will recall, early on in the election she was polling very strongly against Trump but as the election came closer Trump caught up with her and towards the end of the campaign they were both polling in the 40's with Clinton just edging ahead but there were even some that showed a Trump win towards the end.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Selective memory?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

A survey from the Princeton Election Consortium has found that Hillary Clinton has a 99 per cent chance of winning the election over Donald Trump. Three days before the election, Ms Clinton has a projected 312 electoral votes, compared to 226 for Mr Trump. A total of 270 electoral votes are needed to win. The probability statistic was found by the university’s statistical Bayesian model.

linky

You are right sir, the polls only had her favored by a smidgen (a few points). But the way the pollsters do it here is try and break down all of the counties to tally up the electoral college ahead of time.

So while you're right that she wasn't favored by a whole lot, the way they broke it down she was going to win by a landslide.

Think of it like her getting more of the popular vote but ultimately Trump winning a lot more of the electoral college.

a reply to: six67seven

Polls again... the history speaks for itself... popularity during presidencies is rarely pretty and when it is it isn't lasting.

Actually I mentioned polls as one indicator and it seems to be quite a few want to discuss it, I am happy to change the course of the discussion at any time if you want to look at another indicator of Trumps popularity.

I don't care about polls. The only facts of polls is that they produce a %, but again, as we've seen, that percentage isn't necessarily fact. Case and point, 2016.

I have addressed this in my above post and won't go on about it as it seems pretty clear your not particularly interested in debating poll results, which is fair enough, its kind of boring anyway.

You too are spitting plenty of speculation yourself so don't act like it's one-sided.

What speculation am I spitting?

Be specific please so I can address it appropriately.

You and I will never convince one another, and I don't care to address every single line/comment/point of a post like you do, so I'll likely not respond to you going forward. Just FYI

I didn't think we were trying to convince each other of anything, I only respond line by line so I can address you point by point. You have taken the time to write me a response so I only feel it is proper that I reciprocate by taking time reply to each point you have made.

It is unfortunate that you don't feel like you can respond further to my points I have made against your arguments.

Have a nice day.

originally posted by: Muninn
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Selective memory?

No look at the numbers they are backed up by that.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Think of it like her getting more of the popular vote but ultimately Trump winning a lot more of the electoral college.

Actually this is a very good point, I think the element of the electoral collage played a big role in this, and you are right, if you look at how the popular vote went then the polls were reasonable accurate as towards the end they were showing a very close race.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin


No, with respect, thats what the polls say, its not a opinion its a absolute fact, that when you look at a aggregate of recognised polls looking at Trumps approval he is regarded as a unpopular president.

Obama's polls were pretty damn close to Trumps for the same time period, and look at how the two started out so differently as to the level of positive vs negative environment the two met as the started their Presidency. Obama started extremely high and slowly went down hill, while Trump started extremely low and has gained.

I think this more tell tell than small polls in short periods.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Don't get me wrong, I see your point and most of the time the polls are right... But there are other variables that can lead to a different result. I'm with you about 98% . Another good indicator are sleezy casinos who take bets on politics (degenerate assholes). While I don't agree with their practice, I tend to listen to the people who have money on the outcome. They too get it wrong, but you know what they say about the house at the end of the day.