Military Spending versus welfare sucking libtards

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: dfnj2015

No I'm not.

No one funds their social security by themselves.

There's a snip ton of other peoples money going to that monthly stipend.

Imagine if we contributed to our own 401k instead of Social Security.

double

No flags. LOL!

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: dfnj2015

No I'm not.

No one funds their social security by themselves.

There's a snip ton of other peoples money going to that monthly stipend.

Imagine if we contributed to our own 401k instead of Social Security.

We'd have a far better standard of living than social security provides, and would lessen that 'income inequality' they always whine about.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: dfnj2015

Social security is welfare.

I disagree with your opinion. Welfare has traditionally meant something else:

"1) Cash and cash-like programs: As Michael Linden of Center for American Progress told me, there are five big programs in the Cato list that are most analogous to what people think of as “welfare”: The refundable part of the Earned Income Tax Credit ($55 billion), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families ($21 billion), Supplemental Security Income ($43.7 billion), food stamps ($75 billion), and housing vouchers ($18 billion) and the Child Tax Credit. All together, that’s around $212 billion dollars." "

originally posted by: dfnj2015
No flags. LOL!

Well the whole OP is a logical fallacy, and the main source other than the social programs is a YouTube video from a guy no one has heard of.

You could have used Noam Chomsky instead.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: dfnj2015
No flags. LOL!

Well the whole OP is a logical fallacy, and the main source other than the social programs is a YouTube video from a guy no one has heard of.

You could have used Noam Chomsky instead.

"Logical fallacy", what the hell are you talking about? I was trying to just categorize what is considered to be "welfare" spending and comparing it to the obscene amount of money that was spent by the Pentagon without authorization. I wasn't making any argument at all. I was just trying to collect some facts and compare them.

The guy is not some YouTube idiot no one has heard of. Just google "missing trillion dollars pentagon" there are TONS of articles on this subject. Do you live in a hole?

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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: dfnj2015

Social security is welfare.

I disagree with your opinion. Welfare has traditionally meant something else:

"1) Cash and cash-like programs: As Michael Linden of Center for American Progress told me, there are five big programs in the Cato list that are most analogous to what people think of as “welfare”: The refundable part of the Earned Income Tax Credit ($55 billion), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families ($21 billion), Supplemental Security Income ($43.7 billion), food stamps ($75 billion), and housing vouchers ($18 billion) and the Child Tax Credit. All together, that’s around $212 billion dollars." "

What do you call giving people more money than they put in? Is that not giving people cash they have not earned?

Look, I don't have a problem with social security in that I recognize too many people simply aren't capable of caring for themselves nor making prudent decisions to fund their own retirement. But let's call a spade a spade. It is a retirement ponzi scheme and by definition it is welfare.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: dfnj2015

Social security is welfare.

I disagree with your opinion. Welfare has traditionally meant something else:

"1) Cash and cash-like programs: As Michael Linden of Center for American Progress told me, there are five big programs in the Cato list that are most analogous to what people think of as “welfare”: The refundable part of the Earned Income Tax Credit ($55 billion), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families ($21 billion), Supplemental Security Income ($43.7 billion), food stamps ($75 billion), and housing vouchers ($18 billion) and the Child Tax Credit. All together, that’s around $212 billion dollars." "

What do you call giving people more money than they put in? Is that not giving people cash they have not earned?

Look, I don't have a problem with social security in that I recognize too many people simply aren't capable of caring for themselves nor making prudent decisions to fund their own retirement. But let's call a spade a spade. It is a retirement ponzi scheme and by definition it is welfare.

I disagree with your opinion.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I disagree with your opinion. Welfare has traditionally meant something else:

It is, and a bad one.

If you make 40,000 a year and retire at 65, you will get about 1,500 a month (per gov projections, hold in the laughs).

Social security tax is 6.2%, matched by employer for a total of 12.4%.

If you make 40,000 a year and put in 12.4% (starting at age 30) to a 401k, you will get 10,000 dollars a month.

Tell me which one is a better use of money.

It's just amazing how right wing this site has become. It's like InfoWars here in these threads. Just amazing.

a reply to: dfnj2015

From the OP.

All military spending is socialism

And as I've said, I have looked into this subject a lot, the "missing" trillions.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: dfnj2015

I disagree with your opinion. Welfare has traditionally meant something else:

It is, and a bad one.

If you make 40,000 a year and retire at 65, you will get about 1,500 a month (per gov projections, hold in the laughs).

Social security tax is 6.2%, matched by employer for a total of 12.4%.

If you make 40,000 a year and put in 12.4% (starting at age 30) to a 401k, you will get 10,000 dollars a month.

Tell me which one is a better use of money.

Forget welfare, as stated in the video, how can the Pentagon receive over 20 Trillion dollars in "adjustment" spending fro the treasury that was NOT authorized by Congress?????????

I think 20,000 billion dollars is the BIGGER number.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
It's just amazing how right wing this site has become. It's like InfoWars here in these threads. Just amazing.

I am pretty close to center, but anyone is going to be further right than you... but that doesn't make me right wing.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

If you make 40,000 a year and put in 12.4% (starting at age 30) to a 401k, you will get 10,000 dollars a month.

And you won't be denied cost of living raises like SS recipients.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
It's just amazing how right wing this site has become. It's like InfoWars here in these threads. Just amazing.

It is amazing how some people can't admit they are wrong.

All military spending is socialism

Actually it's not.

Because the money spent creates/maintains middle class TAX PAYING jobs, and new wealth.

WELFARE programs just take money to rob Peter to Pay Paul, and God gets a cut off the top.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Forget welfare, as stated in the video, how can the Pentagon receive over 20 Trillion dollars in "adjustment" spending fro the treasury that was NOT authorized by Congress?????????

I've already agreed that the military budget is out of control.

So now that that is out of the way, which would you rather spend your 12.4%?

To get 10,000 a month, or 1,500?

How much money has been spent on the RESIST/ Occupy movement - that would be better served helping the citizens they claim are the most hurt.

How much time/money has been spent by elected officials worrying , belittling and obstructing OUR Constitutionally elected POTUS from performing his job

How much longer can you SPIN the SPIN before you realize your resistance is FUTILE

If you think you have the answers - Run for Public Office

Good Luck

a reply to: MetalThunder

How much money has been spent on the RESIST/ Occupy movement - that would be better served helping the citizens they claim are the most hurt.

Billions over the last 3 years.

Yes three.