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From the Start, Trump Has Muddied a Clear Message: Putin Interfered - The New York Times

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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Nikola014

Believe it or not, it's not about Trump. Trump is the focus, not the issue. It's about populism. Trump just rode the populist wave.

That's why Trump's endorsements work sometimes and not others. It's not about Trump. It's about whether or not the candidate is part of the corrupt system known colloquially as the "deep state."

That's why the constant barrage about "Trump did this" or "Trump is stupid" fall on deaf ears. It's not about Trump. It's about what Trump promised to do and is doing.

That's why no one seems to care when complainers complain about the Republicans doing things. It's not about Republican or Democrat. It's about weeding out the corrupt Republicans and Democrats.

Someday Trump's detractors will realize this and look back, wondering how they could have been so wrong...

TheRedneck
Redneck, thank you for your thoughts and insights. Its really refreshing to have a clearer mind in these regards, I absolutely agree with all your post.




posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: vinifalou

That user can't prove it because none exist and they are all talk.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: shooterbrody



What EXACTLY would you like me to admit?


Russia played a role in the election.

Trump surrounded himself with people that were connected to Russia, in a variety of ways, and this entire mess is a monster of his own creation.

None of this would be an issue if Trump would not have made the choices he made.

All of that is absolutely true.

Will you admit that, or will you push blame on to the media and the Left?
Lmfao, I totally believe that you believe that and there is where you made your mistake.

We already know, yearly that other nations try to sabotage our elections, thats not in question.

Trump surround himself with people who had all kinds of connections in an environment where all know whos who.

None of if wouldn't make difference as those same individuals worked the system long before Trump.

All of what you posted isn't true, just gullible and YES, its is being pushed by the leftist controlled liberal media, hence, your position on the matter.

Self attribution bias would have you screaming you're correct, in reality, you're just plain wrong and its pretty sad you actually believe that 😌

Sucks, but whatever, keep playing ignorance, I'll be supporting MY POTUS, as do the American people 😏
edit on 19-7-2018 by Arnie123 because: Heh



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: introvert

So you really think the Russians are the main reason trump got elected? I mean really you actually believe they're the reason for the democrats getting crushed in the elections.

Why would the russians allow Hillary to steal the election from bernie, a hardcore socialist? They have so much power and influence how could they let that happen? Youve become brainwashed into thinking the right can't win without help from russia.

They won move on. in two years you'll get another chance and maybe a better candidate and tons of MSM backing peddling any BS story that will stick to get the democrats elected.

Hell give me something better then trump and I'll easily vote against him.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Who exactly has been charged with Russian election collusion?


Collusion isn't a crime, per say, but conspiracy is. The puzzle is coming together for us outside of the loop, but the pieces already paint a clear picture.


LOL the puzzle is coming together. At the rate it's going it will be the year 3000 and then CNN will finally show this:



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: JDmOKI




They have so much power and influence how could they let that happen? Youve become brainwashed into thinking the right can't win without help from russia.


They didn't win without Russia's help this time. FACT!



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: introvert

So you really think the Russians are the main reason trump got elected? I mean really you actually believe they're the reason for the democrats getting crushed in the elections.

Why would the russians allow Hillary to steal the election from bernie, a hardcore socialist? They have so much power and influence how could they let that happen? Youve become brainwashed into thinking the right can't win without help from russia.

They won move on. in two years you'll get another chance and maybe a better candidate and tons of MSM backing peddling any BS story that will stick to get the democrats elected.

Hell give me something better then trump and I'll easily vote against him.
Yeah, I laughed really hard at that and to be honest, I would be lying if I said I was surprised that the most hardcore of leftist actually believe that.

As Cotton puts it, "terrible spy movie", but when you believe the media all your lives, its hard to deny their narratives.

Whats more sad is that some of these users are smart, but don't think critically enough in these respects, why you don't talk Religion and Politics in the norm setting, because everybody has a story and everybody is correct, especially these ones who conflate intelligence in a certain field and broad stroke that to every area of professsion.

Evidence is present as a result of their post, that "surrounding himself with Russian compromised individuals" means he is a Russian, nevermind those connections were of self interest to those parties and had nothing to do with Trump and Russian collusion, but because its in the same context, it MUST MEAN ITS TRUE, Lmfao



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JDmOKI




They have so much power and influence how could they let that happen? Youve become brainwashed into thinking the right can't win without help from russia.


They didn't win without Russia's help this time. FACT!

lol, prove it then 😘

Lol, sounds like you're beginning to realize you've been had by the liberal media and are now, literally, screaming "FACTS" as a means to reassure yourself ☺️
edit on 19-7-2018 by Arnie123 because: Heh



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Fact Russian bots and fake news stories never led to any of my own personal opinions. Fact i can think for myself and draw my own conclusions. Fact the MSM peddles more BS then Russia could ever hope to achieve in the US with Facebook pages and shills with bad english.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Fact Russian bots and fake news stories never led to any of my own personal opinions. Fact i can think for myself and draw my own conclusions. Fact the MSM peddles more BS then Russia could ever hope to achieve in the US with Facebook pages and shills with bad english.

These are FACTS.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

a reply to: Arnie123

You guys have a pretty short term memory. Remember when Russian agents hacked the DNC, stole critical documents and sent them to WikiLeaks for critical, time sensitive releases? Trump wouldn't have won if that hadn't happened.

Trump wouldn't have won without 10,000 Russian bots pushing all kind of lies about Hillary Clinton, that many, many ATS members fell for and gleefully pushed.

Remember when Richard Nixon had to resign because of the Watergate scandal, in which "plumber" wire tapped and stole critical DNC documents? Good times for the US of A!



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

I didnt vote for trump and do you have any evidence supporting the russians hacked the DNC? With all the money they obtained how come they couldnt secure their servers?



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: JDmOKI


You think I have the evidence?

Russian intel officers charged with hacking Dems, Clinton to disrupt election www.nbcnews.com...

12 Russian Intel Officers Indicted for Hacking Clinton Campaign, DNC, DCCC pjmedia.com...

New Mueller Indictment: 12 Russian Intel Officers Accused of Hacking DNC, Clinton Campaign www.nbcphiladelphia.com...

Short term memory loss got ya again?



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: shooterbrody



What EXACTLY would you like me to admit?


Russia played a role in the election.

Trump surrounded himself with people that were connected to Russia, in a variety of ways, and this entire mess is a monster of his own creation.


None of this would be an issue if Trump would not have made the choices he made.

All of that is absolutely true.

Will you admit that, or will you push blame on to the media and the Left?

"russia played a role in the election"---before I admit that I need to know what your definition of "role" is
www.realclearpolitics.com...



13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies for committing federal crimes while seeking to interfere in the United States political system, including the 2016 presidential election.

If that fits your definition of "role" then yes I admit russia played a role in the election.

"Trump surrounded himself with people that were connected to Russia, in a variety of ways, and this entire mess is a monster of his own creation."---Too vague to say it is true. Not all of Trumps appointees were under investigation so "surround" is not true. I have no idea what your definition of "connected to russia" means so nope not true. "this entire mess is a monster of his own creation"---nope as it includes the previous 2 statements.
I will say Trump made some bad appointments that I would wager he wishes he could take back. When exposed as problems he dumped them pretty quickly.

"None of this would be an issue if Trump would not have made the choices he made."----Nope, Trump did not ask anyone to commit any crimes related to the election. Trump, like anyone else, can only control himself. How was he to know the fbi would pick up an investigation on Manafort they dropped in 2014? How could Trumps choices have changed that?

Even if you subscribe to the theory that russia attacked our electorial process to get trump elected, there is this....www.realclearpolitics.com...



There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.

Seems like alot of hullabaloo for something that the fbi says did not alter the outcome of the 2016 election.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

I asked for evidence since the indictment will never lead to anything and the hack occurred from an Arizona server. All this comes out right before the putin meeting.

I'm skeptical but these indictments will never go to court so we'll never know.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Maybe they had no goal except this.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


12 Russian Intel Officers Indicted for Hacking Clinton Campaign, DNC, DCCC

And we have Putin himself saying he will have them questioned with Bob Mueller himself standing right there taking notes, and that extradition is conceivable if they appear guilty.

How much ya wanna bet Mueller turns down the offer?

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
Oh look, another leftist opinion piece being passed off as "news".


Thank you for saving me the time of reading it.

NEXT...



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

They wont even present the evidence the public because its an ongoing investigation.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Someone was saying that the Russian government should take them to court and demand a process of full discovery. Unless there is some really sensitive stuff to hide on their end, it could be enormously entertaining.




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