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From the Start, Trump Has Muddied a Clear Message: Putin Interfered - The New York Times

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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:13 AM
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What do you say ATS? Here's a full article from the new york times, for those of you who can't access it. Apologies if it has been posted already



WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.

The shifting narrative underscores the degree to which Mr. Trump regularly picks and chooses intelligence to suit his political purposes. That has never been more clear than this week.

On Monday, standing next to the Russian president in Helsinki, Finland, Mr. Trump said he accepted Mr. Putin’s denial of Russian election intrusions. By Tuesday, faced with a bipartisan political outcry, Mr. Trump sought to walk back his words and sided with his intelligence agencies.

On Wednesday, when a reporter asked, “Is Russia still targeting the U.S.?” Mr. Trump shot back, “No” — directly contradicting statements made only days earlier by his director of national intelligence, Dan Coats, who was sitting a few chairs away in the Cabinet Room. (The White House later said he was responding to a different question.)





Hours later, in a CBS News interview, Mr. Trump seemed to reverse course again. He blamed Mr. Putin personally, but only indirectly, for the election interference by Russia, “because he’s in charge of the country.” In the run-up to this week’s ducking and weaving, Mr. Trump has done all he can to suggest other possible explanations for the hacks into the American political system. His fear, according to one of his closest aides who spoke on the condition of anonymity, is that any admission of even an unsuccessful Russian attempt to influence the 2016 vote raises questions about the legitimacy of his presidency.

The Jan. 6, 2017, meeting, held at Trump Tower, was a prime example. He was briefed that day by John O. Brennan, the C.I.A. director; James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence; and Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency and the commander of United States Cyber Command. EDITORS’ PICKS Parents Behaving Badly: A Youth Sports Crisis Caught on Video Silicon Valley’s Giants Take Their Talent Hunt to Cambridge Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf Scientist? The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, was also there; after the formal briefing, he privately told Mr. Trump about the “Steele dossier.” That report, by a former British intelligence officer, included uncorroborated salacious stories of Mr. Trump’s activities during a visit to Moscow, which he denied. According to nearly a dozen people who either attended the meeting with the president-elect or were later briefed on it, the four primary intelligence officials described the streams of intelligence that convinced them of Mr. Putin’s role in the election interference



They included stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee that had been seen in Russian military intelligence networks by the British, Dutch and American intelligence services. Officers of the Russian intelligence agency formerly known as the G.R.U. had plotted with groups like WikiLeaks on how to release the email stash.

And ultimately, several human sources had confirmed Mr. Putin’s own role.

That included one particularly valuable source, who was considered so sensitive that Mr. Brennan had declined to refer to it in any way in the Presidential Daily Brief during the final months of the Obama administration, as the Russia investigation intensified.

Instead, to keep the information from being shared widely, Mr. Brennan sent reports from the source to Mr. Obama and a small group of top national security aides in a separate, white envelope to assure its security.

Mr. Trump and his aides were also given other reasons during the briefing to believe that Russia was behind the D.N.C. hacks.

The same Russian groups had been involved in cyberattacks on the State Department and White House unclassified email systems in 2014 and 2015, and in an attack on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They had aggressively fought the N.S.A. against being ejected from the White House system, engaging in what the deputy director of the agency later called “hand-to-hand combat” to dig in.

The pattern of the D.N.C. hacks, and the theft of emails from John D. Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, fit the same pattern.

After the briefings, Mr. Trump issued a statement later that day that sought to spread the blame for the meddling. He said “Russia, China and other countries, outside groups and countries” were launching cyberattacks against American government, businesses and political organizations — including the D.N.C.

Still, Mr. Trump said in his statement, “there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election.”

Mr. Brennan later told Congress that he had no doubt where the attacks were coming from.

“I was convinced in the summer that the Russians were trying to interfere in the election,” he said in testimony in May 2017. “And they were very aggressive.”

For Mr. Trump, the messengers were as much a part of the problem as the message they delivered.

Mr. Brennan and Mr. Clapper were both Obama administration appointees who left the government the day Mr. Trump was inaugurated. The new president soon took to portraying them as political hacks who had warped the intelligence to provide Democrats with an excuse for Mrs. Clinton’s loss in the election.

Mr. Comey fared little better. He was fired in May 2017 after refusing to pledge his loyalty to Mr. Trump and pushing forward on the federal investigation into whether the Trump campaign had cooperated with Russia’s election interference.

Only Admiral Rogers, who retired this past May, was extended in office by Mr. Trump. (He, too, told Congress that he thought the evidence of Russian interference was incontrovertible.)



And the evidence suggests Russia continues to be very aggressive in its meddling.

In March, the Department of Homeland Security declared that Russia was targeting the American electric power grid, continuing to riddle it with malware that could be used to manipulate or shut down critical control systems. Intelligence officials have described it to Congress as a chief threat to American security.

Just last week, Mr. Coats said that current cyberthreats were “blinking red” and called Russia the “most aggressive foreign actor, no question.”

“And they continue their efforts to undermine our democracy,” he said.

Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, also stood firm.

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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:14 AM
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...Part 2...


“The intelligence community’s assessment has not changed,” Mr. Wray said on Wednesday at the Aspen Security Forum. “My view has not changed, which is that Russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engage in malign influence operations to this day.”

The Russian efforts are “aimed at sowing discord and divisiveness in this country,” he continued. “We haven’t yet seen an effort to target specific election infrastructure this time. We could be just a moment away from the next level.”

“It’s a threat we need to take extremely seriously and respond to with fierce determination and focus.”

Almost as soon as he took office, Mr. Trump began casting doubts on the intelligence on Russia’s election interference, though never taking issue with its specifics.

He dismissed it broadly as a fabrication by Democrats and part of a “witch hunt” against him. He raised unrelated issues, including the state of investigations into Mrs. Clinton’s home computer server, to distract attention from the central question of Russia’s role — and who, if anyone, in Mr. Trump’s immediate orbit may have worked with them.

In July 2017, just after meeting Mr. Putin for the first time, Mr. Trump told a New York Times reporter that the Russian president had made a persuasive case that Moscow’s cyberskills were so good that the government’s hackers would never have been caught. Therefore, Mr. Trump recounted from his conversation with Mr. Putin, Russia must not have been responsible.

Since then, Mr. Trump has routinely disparaged the intelligence about the Russian election interference. Under public pressure — as he was after his statements in Helsinki on Monday — he has periodically retreated. But even then, he has expressed confidence in his intelligence briefers, not in the content of their findings.

That is what happened again this week, twice.

Mr. Trump’s statement in Helsinki led Mr. Coats to reaffirm, in a statement he deliberately did not get cleared at the White House, that American intelligence agencies had no doubt that Russia was behind the 2016 hack.

That contributed to Mr. Trump’s decision on Tuesday to say that he had misspoken one word, and that he did believe Russia had interfered — although he also veered off script to declare: “Could be other people also. A lot of people out there.”


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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Sorry that was the msm talking about collusion non stop.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Getting Trump to admit Russia interfered in the election has been like dragging a child to the doctors. You get him there, but he ain't happy about it.

Muddied the waters. Trump has flat out said they didn't do it or it was someone else. Basically, Trump lies.


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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:30 AM
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Oh look, another leftist opinion piece being passed off as "news".



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn


I saw opinion in that piece, for sure, but I also saw an enormous amount of incriminating facts.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

Well, how is it not news?

Either this is the biggest propaganda operation by the establishment in history, or there really is something to this whole thing.

What is Trump hiding and why? Why is he so reluctant to admit that the Russians interfered in the election? He does not lose anything by saying yes, the Russians interfered in the election by hacking the DNC and spreading disinformation, but that it was the fault of the previous administration, and that he absolutely did not collude with them.

It's really that simple. Why is he not doing it?
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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:44 AM
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Nothing against the op but ,

Whoaa I can read new york times on ATS ! it's a about interference patterns in the light of Trump particles. The Double slit experiment will create political figures in the background of a lot of media noise. Yeah got it collusion is a wave of shoit behaving like a particle.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: MiddleInsite

Because the left and CNN link interference to collusion. Maybe if they were interested in the truth we could work on the problem more.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

So much incrimination that after years of investigation we have nothing, no charges against Trump.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:48 AM
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Great post Nickola

thank you for contributing.

The sercurity services are in a tricky situation, they know the President is compromised by Russia but he’s their president!

This could end up being so damaging for America and embarrassing that this was allowed to happen
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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

No it's not lol.
And this means he's been keeping information hidden from you. Every time he's called it a witch hunt he's been lying to you.
And in doing so he has violated the oath he took to protect the U.S..



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sookiechacha

So much incrimination that after years of investigation we have nothing, no charges against Trump.


We have 100% agreement among the US Intelligence community that Russia hacked the DNC and attempted to influence our election. We have 12 indicted Russian intelligence officers, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Stone and others. Mueller is still sitting a lot of information. I think the lights are about to go off on lying treasonous Trump, so, bide your time.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:59 AM
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WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.


Here's the rub people.

For months Trump and company were the targets of a political hack machination.

So why would Trump have been shown anything?

Hard saying what they were shown. In all likelyhood it was disinformation.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 06:59 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Who exactly has been charged with Russian election collusion?



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

If the story is not coming from Fox News then it's not that important. Who is reporting the news is more important than the content of the news. There are only certain commanding authorities than can be trusted.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 07:09 AM
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“The intelligence community’s assessment has not changed,” Mr. Wray said on Wednesday at the Aspen Security Forum. “My view has not changed, which is that Russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engage in malign influence operations to this day.”


Is that the same intelligence community that's been lambasted nonstop for the last 18 years accused of faking Iraq wmds weapons program.

It's nice they've become credible again.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: neo96


The Intelligence community was never accused of fabricating evidence or lying to the American people about Iraq's involvement in 911 or amassing WMDs , George Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, and Donald Rumsfeld were. When members of the intelligence community tried to expose the lies, Dick Cheney outed Valerie Plane.



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posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Who exactly has been charged with Russian election collusion?


Collusion isn't a crime, per say, but conspiracy is. The puzzle is coming together for us outside of the loop, but the pieces already paint a clear picture.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Which was a lie.



History repeats.

They lied about Bush and company.

Now they're lying about Russia.
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