Ex-FBI head James Comey urges public to vote Democratic

Im so confused i keep being told Comey is a Republican. Yet every action he rakes seems to be against his own party.

Either way he should keep his mouth shut because hes not helping either party. He has been shown to be a liar so no one takes him seriously

a reply to: introvert

I did. And I know what Madison said too. What Comey said has literally nothing to do with what Madison was saying. It's twisted in a manner that would make CNN proud.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: introvert

Sorry, intro. I know exactly what he was attempting to refer to.

A balance of power does NOT mean that at this crucial stage, we should vote to put more MAGA obstructionists in office. It is time to strengthen The People economically, put more people back to work, lower their taxes (and keep them lowered), strengthen our borders, improve our infrastructure, grow the economy, etc. etc.

Democrats obstruct these efforts. At this juncture, 2018, the LAST thing Americans should do is put more Democrats in office!!

That's fine. Your opinion and you're welcome to it.

Checks of power and a balance of power is considered obstruction, according to you.

As long as the MAGA agenda is moving forward, all is good.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: introvert

Yes. And all that matters is what Madison meant. Comey and Madison are not talking about the same thing.

The principle is the same.

You just don't like what he said.

Again, that's fine. Regardless of your opinion or ignorance of the principle, it remains the same.

a reply to: introvert

Entirely incorrect. The concept or principle was in regards to the consolidation of power among the like-minded, which would include political parties. There is no stretch. You simply lack the ability to understand what is being said, or your desire to be partisan conflicts with the principles laid out by Madison.

lol
no your analysis is incorrect with respect to the quote assigned to madison
constitutioncenter.org...

One of the most innovative aspects of the Constitution is the way in which the federal government was structured to control its power. Before the Constitution, governmental power was typically vested in one person or a small ruling council. The structure employed in the Constitution was just the opposite: Power was spread across three branches of the new government. But, by dispersing power, another problem was created: how to ensure that one branch did not overpower the other two? The answer was a system of “checks and balances.”

Madison wrote about political parties, it is just not referenced to the quote comey chose.
Your attempted english to english translation and stretch job is laughable and very easily disproven.

Madison initially observed that unfettered governmental power can only conflict with personal liberties, and not support them. To protect those liberties, he believed a system was necessary to protect autonomy among government departments. “Giving to those who administer each department, the constitutional means, and personal motives, to resist encroachments of the others,” was essential, said Madison. By “personal motives,” Madison sought to use an individual’s ambition to “balance” the government. While many political philosophers of the time sought to curb personal ambitions, Madison’s unique approach sought to use them for good; the end result being government would actually control itself. Madison suggested that to avoid one branch overpowering the others, each branch must be given the power to counteract manipulation by the other branches. In his view, the best way to achieve that was to differentiate the way in which the members of a particular branch attain their offices.

branches not parties

A system of checks and balance between the legislative and executive branches would use each branch’s “ambition” to check the ambition of the other. As Madison famously wrote, “Ambition must be made to counteract ambition.”

again branches of government, not political parties
your interpretation is askew
oll.libertyfund.org...

We continue our exploration of the thought of James Madison with this quotation again from The Federalist (1788).

The solution the Founding Fathers came up with was one taken from the thought of the French theorist Montesquieu - namely, “separating the powers” of the state into different “branches” with the intention that each different branch, jealous of its own powers, would keep the other branches limited in their powers.

again the 3 branches of government not the 2 party system we have today

a reply to: introvert

This is not a check and balance of power.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: introvert

Yes. And all that matters is what Madison meant. Comey and Madison are not talking about the same thing.

The principle is the same.

You just don't like what he said.

Again, that's fine. Regardless of your opinion or ignorance of the principle, it remains the same.

Which doesn't take away from the fact that his reference was invalid as there is no Republican unchecked power - unless you read Madison as talking about having different parties with majorities in Congress and control of the Executive branch. That would be an incorrect interpretation, obviously, so that leaves us with the truth...

Comey doesn't like Trump and wants him to lose the ability to operate effectively. Nothing at all to do with Madison - he just wrapped himself in that cloak justify his bitterness and make it a little less obvious.

a reply to: introvert

No, it's not. As in not in the slightest. Learn what Madison said you clearly have no clue. It had nothing to do with parties, it was about no one branch becoming too powerful. It doesn't matter if it's 50 50 Dem and Republican or 100 of either party,vthe branch is what the branch is.

a reply to: introvert

Why does the left have such difficulty with peeling back the layers of an issue? Why do they tend to have scales over their eyes on so many things?

"Ambition must be made to counteract ambition." That is the full quote from Madison.

Why do you think Comey intentionally left out "be made"?

The very structure of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Executive branches makes for the balance Madison spoke about. His words had absolutely nothing to do with political parties. The ambition of each branch would be a natural balance to the over reach of another branch.

Have a little faith in The People. We know that Dems are NOT the balance you are looking for this year. If Republicans maintain the House and Senate, only then can We move forward with the infrastructure projects, maintain lower taxes, increase employment, strengthen the borders, get a real handle on illegal immigration, and so much more.

If ever there was a time to NOT put Dems in office, it is now.

a reply to: introvert

His quote doesn't make a difference.

This is your excuse to justify his "urging".

His tweet shows a political inclination to the Democratic Party WITH or WITHOUT the quote.

Got it now?

Can't be more clear than that.

And you call me ignorant...

a reply to: UKTruth

Comey doesn't like Trump and wants him to lose the ability to operate effectively. Nothing at all to do with Madison - he just wrapped himself in that cloak justify his bitterness and make it a little less obvious.

I agree.
It is a very disingenuous use of that quote.
en.wikipedia.org...

Federalist No. 51 addresses means by which appropriate checks and balances can be created in government and also advocates a separation of powers within the national government. This idea of checks and balances became a crucial document in the establishment of the modern U.S. system of checks and balances. One of its most important ideas, an explanation of check and balances, is the often quoted phrase, "Ambition must be made to counteract ambition."

3 equal branches of government with checks on each
not a mention of any political party at all

en.wikipedia.org...

Federalist No. 10 is the classic citation for the belief that the Founding Fathers and the constitutional framers did not intend American politics to be partisan.

Madison did write about parties.

For instance, United States Supreme Court justice John Paul Stevens cites the paper for the statement, "Parties ranked high on the list of evils that the Constitution was designed to check".

originally posted by: MetalThunder
I can hear the BLUE Wave now .... and a gurgle

The blue wave is exactly as I imagined it

a reply to: JBurns

I wouldn't count it out yet. Reality is Trump is really good at hurting himself politically. So there is no telling what crazy things he will say between now and the elections. Trump shoots himself a lot with his off the cuff remarks, i constantly have to laugh hes his own worst enemy.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: introvert

Why does the left have such difficulty with peeling back the layers of an issue? Why do they tend to have scales over their eyes on so many things?

"Ambition must be made to counteract ambition." That is the full quote from Madison.

Why do you think Comey intentionally left out "be made"?

The very structure of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Executive branches makes for the balance Madison spoke about. His words had absolutely nothing to do with political parties. The ambition of each branch would be a natural balance to the over reach of another branch.

Have a little faith in The People. We know that Dems are NOT the balance you are looking for this year. If Republicans maintain the House and Senate, only then can We move forward with the infrastructure projects, maintain lower taxes, increase employment, strengthen the borders, get a real handle on illegal immigration, and so much more.

If ever there was a time to NOT put Dems in office, it is now.

You really are the " Queen of Words "........ THIS is EXACTLY the choice WE face right now ! It breaks my Heart to see how politics have torn the USA and the World apart and upside down. It's time to roll up our sleeves and get things done ! None of the this "idealistic" grandstanding is the PRIORITY right now.

If you've got the time and energy to make a "protest" sign and hit the streets, consider picking up a paintbrush and improving your own community. Teach the kids in your community a skill and show them how ADULTS work together to do something that really MATTERS !

To my fellow CA residents, Peloski and Water's long time districts are a MESS, slums, homeless problem out of control, causing safety and health concerns to the whole community. Maybe someone with a vision would ask, WHY was "Candlestick Park" torn down ? Seems like it could have provided a pretty good solution to transitioning the homeless back into mainstream society. It had space, bathrooms, showers, cooking facilities, secure entrances and exits, MUCH easier to monitor then the streets. IDK ?? Just has to be a better way and hypocritical millionaire's pretending to be "about the people" are NOT the SOLUTIONS we need.

No, but thanks Mr. Comey.

I suspect this is a ploy orchestrated by the Russians....as nobody will believe anything Comey says, the plan is to have them running to the GOP.

Brilliant!

LOL.

I wouldn't count it out yet. Reality is Trump is really good at hurting himself politically. So there is no telling what crazy things he will say between now and the elections. Trump shoots himself a lot with his off the cuff remarks, i constantly have to laugh hes his own worst enemy.

2020 is the Dems election to lose.

All they have to do is field a candidate that doesn't make those of us in the middle gag and vomit.

If they run Waters, Pelosi, Warren, or (god forbid) HRC in 2020...they lose. If they run just about ANYONE else, they win.

Question is, just how dumb are they? Time will tell.

Ex-FBI head James Comey urges public to vote Democratic

So he is trying to influence the election. Isn't that what the "Russians" did, interesting.