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If trump colluded with the Russian government then his actions make sense.

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posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 04:07 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

You can spin it like you want, but Trump is stronger at opposing Russian than the last Administration while trying to make Nato a team effort.

You are citing cases kicked off by illegally monitoring the trump campaign by a bought and fabricated dossier citting Russian sources while lying to FISA judges that have nothing to do with Russian collusion or the outcome of the election.

Again it’s not like trump pushed Germany to become energy dependent on Russia, paved the way to for Russia to have greater control of the world’s uranium supply, limited arm sales to countries that oppose Russian expansion, created an atmosphere Iran could better partner with Russia for nuclear technology, and castrated the US’s response to Russian cyber attacks.

His this changed?



Deputy AG Rosenstein: No evidence election results were impacted
www.cnbc.com...




Rosenstein: "No Allegation in This Indictment That Any American Had Any Knowledge" Of Russian Election Influence Operation
www.realclearpolitics.com...

edit on 20-7-2018 by neutronflux because: Fixed and addec




posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

The USA finally gets a president not into “Empirer” building, not wanting the USA to bank roll NATO, wanting NATO to be a better team effort, and wants to give control of Europe to Europe, it’s only because he is in Putin’s pocket? While selling arms to nations that oppose Russian expansion the last administration would not. Nice spin.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 04:25 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

The only building he wants are ones with TRUMP written on them in Israel,Russia and Far East countries

that’s why he’s president, to continue the brand



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 04:55 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Can you cite where the Trump administration is actively practicing a foreign policy of Russian appeasement? Or just spin trying to kick NATO off American dependace which is a bad thing how?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 05:54 AM
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If damming information is being released involving internal corruption, then it makes perfect sense that those involved or complicate in said corruption would go on the attack, deflect, and drown out the news cycles with "separating families" and "Trump commits treason".



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 06:08 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

Democrats are not pushing open boarders?



Clinton admitted she's for 'open borders' in paid, private speech: WikiLeaks
www.washingtontimes.com...


Or Democrats just want a boarder with no security or examination of who enters?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

The democrats are out of touch from being unhinged, and its allowing the intelligence community to trample on individual rights. Is that a false statement?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: soberbacchus

The USA finally gets a president not into “Empirer” building,


The opposite.

Trump is working aggressively at every opportunity to help Putin's "Empire Building".

Putin's agenda is weakening Western Alliances and seizing economic ground and physical territory.

The EU, NATO and USA are the forces that oppose his empire building.

Trump has attacked and weakened all while praising Putin.

No mystery there.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Myollinir

No the electoral college was created to better represent slave states. As they had far fewer voters than north. James Wilson proposed a direct presidential election but a James Madison a virginian slave owner proposed that that would not be fair to slave states. So we adopted the electoral college and made it so each slave counted as 2/5ths of a person towards the allotment of electoral votes. This allowed slave owners to hold the presidency for 32 years after the electoral college was instilled.WHAT.?.? A LINK?

The electoral college does not represent the voice of our current nation and no longer serves any valuable purpose. As such it should abolished in favor of a direct election just like every other nation with free elections



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

What is your opinion on the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the United Nations. Do you think these organizations are a threat to our sovereignty and the democratic process? I would really like to know how Russia and Putin are a bigger threat, please I really want to know.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: CymaticA
a reply to: soberbacchus

What is your opinion on the Trilateral Commission,


A legally toothless policy forum for business, academic and political leaders to share ideas about global problems.
They have no mechanism to change anything apart from sharing ideas.



the Council on Foreign Relations,


Again, think tank of diverse interests. If ideas threaten you, then you might find it threatening.


and the United Nations.


An alliance of nations where global issues of security, sovereignty, human rights etc. can be addressed between nations.


Do you think these organizations are a threat to our sovereignty and the democratic process?


Not in the least. We can act in unison or alone. We have and continue to do both. We are never forced to abide to the UNs directives.

The UN does threaten Russia though, because former soviet republics seek to join and enjoy security from Putin's Empire ambitions.



I would really like to know how Russia and Putin are a bigger threat, please I really want to know.


By directly launching cyber attacks on the infrastructure responsible for election and voting systems.
By conducting covert campaigns aimed at undermining the USAs free elections.
By devaluing the status of the USA in the world.
By engaging in exhaustive covert propaganda campaigns meant to promote division and promote divisive candidates whose policies and views would weaken America's credibility and standing in the world.

That's just off the top of my head.
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posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 11:43 AM
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"If trump colluded with the Russian government then his actions make sense"

But how does Your "IF" explain Mueller's inactions ? Are you saying Mueller is in on it ?

"IF" Half of L"IF"E



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

here ya go

Ideas don't threaten me, that's absured. What is threatening is the ideas of an organization making policy decisions spanning over several administrations. To imply they are simply exchanging free ideas, without an agenda, is pure nonsense and ignores documented historical facts.

I'm guessing you think the federal reserve only regulates currency with no alterior motives as well.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

You didn’t answer the question how the current administration is engaging in a foreign policy of appeasement concerning Russia?

What policy of Trumps had actually weakened the EU, NATO and USA? The Britex vote was before the presidential election? Is that wrong?
Germany went rouge against NATO, and made an energy deal with Russia?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: CymaticA
a reply to: soberbacchus

What is your opinion on the Trilateral Commission,


A legally toothless policy forum for business, academic and political leaders to share ideas about global problems.
They have no mechanism to change anything apart from sharing ideas.



www.britannica.com...

The Trilateral Commission’s agendas anticipate those of the Group of 8(G8) summits between the leaders of the world’s largest economies (plus Russia). Members have held key positions in U.S. administrations and in the governments of other member countries. In the late 1970s, for example, many Trilateral Commission members held senior positions in the cabinet of U.S. President Jimmy Carter.

No mechanisms to change anything?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: soberbacchus

What current US policies are limiting the power of the “The EU, NATO and USA“ since the last administration?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: soberbacchus

What current US policies are limiting the power of the “The EU, NATO and USA“ since the last administration?


There aren't any. The media is completely lying and misleading their viewers. It is actually 1984 newspeak we are witnessing. Mass media gas lighting on a national scale. I'm just glad I'm outside of that bubble and looking in.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: CymaticA

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: CymaticA
a reply to: soberbacchus

What is your opinion on the Trilateral Commission,


A legally toothless policy forum for business, academic and political leaders to share ideas about global problems.
They have no mechanism to change anything apart from sharing ideas.



www.britannica.com...

The Trilateral Commission’s agendas anticipate those of the Group of 8(G8) summits between the leaders of the world’s largest economies (plus Russia). Members have held key positions in U.S. administrations and in the governments of other member countries. In the late 1970s, for example, many Trilateral Commission members held senior positions in the cabinet of U.S. President Jimmy Carter.

No mechanisms to change anything?


Unless you are cognitively challenged, your link just echoed what I said.

Even Presidents speaking at academic forums or think tanks do not magically imbibe that forum with any authority.

Are you scared of people speaking or sharing ideas?
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posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 06:05 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

BWAHAHAHA

ONLY ACCORDING TO RIGHTWING SHILL COMMENTATORS.. lol


Anyone seen a journalist make that claim???

Ps tucker, Hannity and Alex Jones are not journalists lol.



posted on Jul, 21 2018 @ 06:08 AM
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a reply to: MetalThunder

Sure..

It took years for the Nixon investigation too..

Hell civilian investigations can take years, let alone when the president is the criminal..


If muller comes out and says he didn’t do it you can brag..



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