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CEOs vs Workers Town Hall

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

The disgusting part is he ran as the "old Grampa" who didnt have much money, etc etc.

Then you look at all the houses he owns, I cant believe people still trust this guy, hes used his position and capitalism to make tons of money, but then acts like he hates it.

Youre right, hes a fraud.

Typical politicians and other rich people who promote socialism, really what they want is to shut the door on everyone else so they cant reach the levels they are at in wealth.

If there are people pulling themselves out of poverty, they have less servants.




posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:35 PM
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These companies are no different than pimps the way they treat their employees, especially if you listen to the Amazon worker. He said that he always thought he was hitting his goal (for speed in packing - the number's he needed to reach) but whenever he looked he was always at ~ 80%, even when he improved his speed. I worked at an Amazon contractor at a distribution warehouse and they have a moving goalpost where if you can do 100 boxes per day, then your goal for 100% will be 120, so when you look at your 100 box score, it shows about 80% and they hope you will work harder and increase to the 120, which if you do, the number will magically jump to about 144 - which they will attribute to the fact that you are now experienced. Should you reach 144 (I recommend you don't), the number will jump to 174. The thing is once you reach one of these levels, it is now expected of you and you can't go backwards. So even if you hit for a few days, you will from then on be compared to these numbers.

On top of this, they use you up and throw you out, just like a pimp does to a prostitute. The pimp drugs & fear the prostitute up to make them work faster, Amazon uses these # goals and fear to make you work faster.

The sad thing is that this type of behavior isn't isolated to companies like Amazon. I've worked for at least 5-7 small companies (from 2-20 employees) who do the same thing, even with skilled workers where you need a technical degree and 3-5 years of professional experience. They use you up, burn you out, then fire you or push you till you quit. It seems they try to do this in a 90 day period where they can claim it as a "probationary" period and you can't claim unemployment either. I've had at least 3 employers where 2 weeks before my 90 days my work load and types of jobs became horendous to the point I don't think anyone would have continued working for them. I think some of the jobs were "fake" or constructed to make the employee want to quit as it is less expensive to pay them 2 days wage doing a BS job than it is to pay any unemployment is they quit in 2 weeks.

While these large corporations are the largest offenders, they are by no means the sole offenders and that is one of the main problems in America and I think one of the major reasons for the opiate problem as well as the meth problem of 10 years ago. 10 years ago people were in the mentality that "If I just reach 120 boxes, or 144 boxes, or 174 boxes, I'll be able to make it" so they pushed on faster using meth or some other stimulant. After years of this abuse on their bodies (mainly from work, not as much from meth) they are broken down and now in constant pain, which is why the opiate industry has boomed. I knew a lot of people who used uppers at work b/c they had to perform better all the time. They didn't use it as a party drug (well more rarely they may) it was more a necessary evil to put food on the table.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered




Typical politicians and other rich people who promote socialism, really what they want is to shut the door on everyone else so they cant reach the levels they are at in wealth.


don't get me wrong I agree he's a fraud, but this would have been very interesting if some CEO's actually showed up

FORCED anything in government always ends up bad, any non voluntary system is bad



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

the only reason this paradigm is able to exist is because there is an abundant supply of labor in the market otherwise the employers couldn't pull that off



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Isurrender73

Does such a system exist anywhere in the world at this time?
If so I will check it out.


I will try to explain. Note-Musk made very idiotic comments that I do not condone.

Imagine taking a job for Tesla. Right now Tesla isn't making money so the employees might be making minimum wage and I would call that fair. Why would anyone want to work for minimum wage and do such demanding work?

Imagine that as the company became more profitable the employees were guaranteed a percentange of that profit. And as the company grows the owners percent goes down while the employees percent goes up. This does not mean Musk won't make millions but it does mean that he has to pay the workers according to the company's success and not some arbitrary minimum wage or even a competitive wage.

The reason people would want to work for Tesla would be potential income. Highly motivated individuals believing in the product they are manufacturing and gambling their wealth on one man's idea. They make the idea come to fruition and everyone at Tesla prospers.

In today's world the more profitable Tesla becomes the more profitable Musk becomes. Outside of a few positions in leadership the wages of the employees are not likely to change. What is their incentive to work any harder or deliver a better product, when they are almost guaranteed nothing as a reward?
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Isurrender73

Bull, the guy cleaning toilets at the arena is getting crap from the athletes.
Their contracts only cover their own butts.


Yes, and that is unfair. The janitors should be included in the collective bargaining since they are an integral part of the team.
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered




Typical politicians and other rich people who promote socialism, really what they want is to shut the door on everyone else so they cant reach the levels they are at in wealth.


don't get me wrong I agree he's a fraud, but this would have been very interesting if some CEO's actually showed up

FORCED anything in government always ends up bad, any non voluntary system is bad


I would have liked to have seen that too, but I dont blame them, with Sanders setting something like this up and knowing what he touts is his belief system, I wouldnt have gone either. Its most definitely a trap.

If someone else had set it up or it was organic, i could totally see it.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Blaine91555

Well first off clearly the jobs are not solely intended for students that just a common fallacy. You know this though because a student can't work at Wal-Mart at 10AM while they at school. Clearly an adult has to fill the position.

This is an important conversation to be having though isn't it? Or should we totally ignore the tens of millions of people making 32k or less a year and pretend they are all lazy losers?


Of course they are all lazy losers, if they aren't a manager after working there for 5 years what else could they be, right? I mean, everyone gets a manager promotion after 5 years if they serve the company well, which is why companies have more manager than normal employees, right? All you have to do is work harder, work faster and you'll make it. You'll earn more. You'll get better benefits, more vacation, right? There is endless room for advancement in the US, EVERYONE can be a manager if they weren't just lazy losers, right!?

*Edit...Whoops, that was a sarcastic agreement with your response to Blaine. IDK why the quote thing did this.

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

actually although the janitorial job is hugely important to the success of the team and the venue they don't matter to the overall mission so really, they aren't important

I would totally go to a game if the bathrooms were never cleaned
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Isurrender73

actually although the janitorial job is hugely important to the success of the team and the venue they don't matter to the overall mission so really, they aren't important

I would totally go to a game if the bathrooms were never cleaned


Maybe we would see players walking down the aisle selling peanuts if they had to share a percentange of profits and not some minimum wage. But I think they would cough up the cash for the restroom cleaners. Lol

The more skilled the labor the less replaceable one is will always factor into wages. I think even the janitor can understand this concept.


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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

the only reason this paradigm is able to exist is because there is an abundant supply of labor in the market otherwise the employers couldn't pull that off


Agreed, and that is the entire reason the companies/corps want the open borders. The corps trick the liberals into making them support the issue based on "being a good person" which is a terrible argument for open borders and illegal immigration. This issue alone is the major contributor to the state of the nation IMHO. The illegals drive the price of labor down and possibly the cost of goods (which may only be effected marginly by cheaper labor). In return people have much lower wages, terrible working conditions, etc.

It would be better for the economy if goods were more expensive (in true proportion to the increased labor cost) and workers had better wages. The problem with this is that it gives the workers/people more power b/c they have more $$ which is the oppoiste from what the rich thieves want. They would have to spend more $$ in elections, more $$ buying politicians, etc.

There needs to be a new occupy movement that is targeting these mega rich people who abuse their employees. People can freely walk the streets in any state in the country and they can do so w/o a permit as far as I know. They can walk the same block over and over as long as they are not standing in one place or loitering. Causing problems where these people live or in their wallet is the only way they are going to listen. They are beyond shaming, they have to feel actual discomfort of being delayed, annoyed, etc for them to even consider changing anything. With all the workers in each of these companies I can't see how they can't have crowds swarming these people streets, making the CEO's neighbors love them.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

the entire market is teetering on the edge of disaster right now, it's incredibly fragile. anyone running a business should know this, or anyone close to the people running the business should be aware of this

the construction industry is so fragile right now a small correction will bury half if not way more than half of the larger construction companies

I just spent 2 weeks working on a rate job because a tile job I was waiting on got pushed by 2 weeks due to delays and the owner of the company is really close to my family so we got hooked up

well, this company works in 3 states and they do mostly union contracts. schools, military bases, some business's (think 10%) and government. the jobs really don't profit that much, the union's suck up the majority of the money with their absurd demands (and the union members really don't make that much money, I make more independent contracting). also, with government regulation the jobs require being bonded, buying materials up front (in order to win the bid), and you have to wait a specified period of time before getting paid the last 10% I think it's around a year. so when the owner takes out a multi million dollar loan to cover all the cost a large % of their profit get's eaten up by banks

it's a very fragile business and I'm only grazing the top of the complexity of running a large construction company but that's just an insight into how broken our markets are

most of it is because of government regulation and subsidization, bank bailouts and welfare/ social systems



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

the real problem is the government and subsidization

no more bailouts, limit regulations, make banks accountable, banks colleges accountable and stop all the social welfare programs

no social welfare programs forces us to care about each other, no more bank bailouts makes banks have to actually be accountable to the loans they give out and ending social welfare forces companies to pay better to attract employees

oh and no more corporate subsidies will force business's to either charge less for products or force them to charge more which isn't necessarily bad because it has an affect on everything

the government getting involved in everything is screwing EVERYTHING up
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Blaine91555

Well first off clearly the jobs are not solely intended for students that just a common fallacy. You know this though because a student can't work at Wal-Mart at 10AM while they at school. Clearly an adult has to fill the position.

This is an important conversation to be having though isn't it? Or should we totally ignore the tens of millions of people making 32k or less a year and pretend they are all lazy losers?


I know for a fact that a good worker who is motivated can earn a good income and get large raises very quickly because like I said, I know someone who did just that. Starting wage to a decent middle class income in just a few months. Doors opened quickly for her with Walmart. The only difference between her and the others is she wanted to move up fast and proved it to the people over her. People start at the bottom and where they go from there is all on them.

Yes, this is an important conversation. It's a clear example of the differences between those who put in the effort and those who do not.

It's also sad that people like Sanders use people this way. Sanders knows his idea's would destroy the country and turn it into Venezuela with people like him in charge, swimming in power and wealth.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

I would not call him rich and the stories about his properties are hyped. Still, yes he is a fraud. His game is to promise, promise, promise things he knows can't be delivered. He learned his lessons well.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

What percentage of employees at Walmart, or at any company can move up any significant amount per year?

Most people dont even get an annual wage increase enough to much offset the inflation rate.




posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
These companies are no different than pimps the way they treat their employees, especially if you listen to the Amazon worker. He said that he always thought he was hitting his goal (for speed in packing - the number's he needed to reach) but whenever he looked he was always at ~ 80%, even when he improved his speed. I worked at an Amazon contractor at a distribution warehouse and they have a moving goalpost where if you can do 100 boxes per day, then your goal for 100% will be 120, so when you look at your 100 box score, it shows about 80% and they hope you will work harder and increase to the 120, which if you do, the number will magically jump to about 144 - which they will attribute to the fact that you are now experienced. Should you reach 144 (I recommend you don't), the number will jump to 174. The thing is once you reach one of these levels, it is now expected of you and you can't go backwards. So even if you hit for a few days, you will from then on be compared to these numbers.


That sounds not unlike the crooked math system in all these "Freemium" games that is the industry standard game model in Apple & Google playstores, that 'everyone' from little tiny children to adults are all getting hooked on like dope fiends. They have them tuned to drag on foooooooorever, every little thing takes forever, for only a tiny slice of 'fun' in between waits many of these... and it all starts out all the endless things you have to upgrade to be able to "have more fun", well they take longer and Longer and LONGER and cost more and More and MORE to upgrade everything all along the way. Where you could literally drop $1000 in one day and hit tons of upgrades, and have hardly changed much beyond a few levels ahead. You see from whatever perspective of what the upgrades cost at you current level, well if you think it in terms that wow I'd go up so much if I spent this much... well NOPE. Because the costs are going up exponentially each level while they're throwing more and more angles of potential upgrades to 'be all that'. And none of that is even the irony: You see once you spend an hour or whatever farting around hitting the upgrade buttons and stoking your ego / your brains dopamine system, by the end of the day you wont actually be any more badass per se, you'll just be playing the same albeit 'cooler' units against others of equal umph. Its not like you'll really get to just own mofo's from now on, you'll just be playing the same sort of margin except you'll have upgrades a couple weeks sooner than you would have. But its still the same game, gameplay, units etc for the most part.


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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I would speculate as a total % of the population that the ones who move up are the outlier versus the norm.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Whatthedoctorordered

So then you shouldnt even bother with this thingie Sanders cooked up?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Blaine91555

What percentage of employees at Walmart, or at any company can move up any significant amount per year?

Most people dont even get an annual wage increase enough to much offset the inflation rate.


Forget annual wage increases across the board. That went away 30 years ago. Moving up isn't about raises. It's about going after a position that has more responsibility or requires greater skill. Any worker who has an ambition to make more has to have a strategy or at least some goal in mind. Employers are not going to tap people on the shoulder and ask what would you like to be? This is what astounds me in the workplace. Some people do nothing to advance but will complain like hell they aren't being treated fairly.

Why all the hate for CEOs? I started my career at the entry level and now made it to the executive level. To advance, I need to be a CEO and I've decided it isn't worth it. I couldn't handle that level of responsibility and you won't see me complaining about their salary. They earned it.




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