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CEOs vs Workers Town Hall

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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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Not a big socialism fan myself but I'll be watching this in a few minutes. It starts in 2 minutes as I type this so probably live by the time I post.





Sen. Bernie Sanders has invited CEOs and workers from five major corporations — Amazon, Disney, McDonald's, Walmart and American Airlines — to hold a conversation on corporate power in America and how to move forward to create an economy that works for all people, not just a few at the top.


Not much to add other than I'm watching this.




posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
Not a big socialism fan myself but I'll be watching this in a few minutes. It starts in 2 minutes as I type this so probably live by the time I post.





Sen. Bernie Sanders has invited CEOs and workers from five major corporations — Amazon, Disney, McDonald's, Walmart and American Airlines — to hold a conversation on corporate power in America and how to move forward to create an economy that works for all people, not just a few at the top.


Not much to add other than I'm watching this.


It is simple... every man for themselves. You have to view yourself as a business and make moves like a business. This means constantly educating yourself and making changes that progress you in a career and life.

If you've made mistakes that have resulted in you not having much by way of career options, the first step is to admit this.

The economy is working... it is just too many people don't understand the rules of the game imho.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Whenever something comes out of Sanders' mouth, all I hear is "Let them eat cake!" While he leaches off the taxpayers tit living in his million dollar homes.

He's a lot like a Kardashian, somehow rich and famous without having any skills or contributing anything to society.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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None of the CEO's even showed up.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
None of the CEO's even showed up.






posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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The things Sanders promised when he ran, he knew he could not deliver, but he promised anyway which describes him in general.

Fill the stage with people who are still working at jobs intended for students and young people just starting out, while they are far too old to still be in that position, is just using them like puppets for pure political reasons. It's meaningless propaganda.

He never says what happens when the companies are no longer profitable and peoples retirements go up in smoke.

Walmart employs 2.3 million people. I know people who have fast tracked up the ladder with them by simply being outstanding workers and they pay very well. One went from starting wage to an excellent salary in under a year. I also know people who did not climb the ladder, who ended up fired, then lied about why they were fired and will lie to anyone who will listen. One fired for being caught three times in the bathroom smoking in one week went to the media. Another who go fired for drinking on the job and hiding bottles of booze in the dumpster, started going from town to town protesting them and using his lie to get people to support him.

Sanders is not a person to admire. He's a phony, a fake and confidence man who takes advantage of the poor and uses them as finger puppets.
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
The things Sanders promised when he ran, he knew he could not deliver, but he promised anyway which describes him in general.

Fill the stage with people who are still working at jobs intended for students and young people just starting out, while they are far too old to still be in that position, is just using them like puppets for pure political reasons. It's meaningless propaganda.

He never says what happens when the companies are no longer profitable and peoples retirements go up in smoke.

Walmart employs 2.3 million people. I know people who have fast tracked up the ladder with them by simply being outstanding workers and they pay very well. One went from starting wage to an excellent salary in under a year. I also know people who did not climb the ladder, who ended up fired, then lied about why they were fired and will lie to anyone who will listen. One fired for being caught three times in the bathroom smoking in one week went to the media. Another who go fired for drinking on the job and hiding bottles of booze in the dumpster, started going from town to town protesting them and using his lie to get people to support him.

Sanders is not a person to admire. He's a phony, a fake and confidence man who takes advantage of the poor and uses them as finger puppets.


Exactly... it is set up as theater.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

Well first off clearly the jobs are not solely intended for students that just a common fallacy. You know this though because a student can't work at Wal-Mart at 10AM while they at school. Clearly an adult has to fill the position.

This is an important conversation to be having though isn't it? Or should we totally ignore the tens of millions of people making 32k or less a year and pretend they are all lazy losers?
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posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Blaine91555

Well first off clearly the jobs are not solely intended for students that just a common fallacy. You know this though because a student can't work at Wal-Mart at 10AM while they at school. Clearly an adult has to fill the position.

This is an important conversation to be having though isn't it? Or should we totally ignore the tens of millions of people making 32k or less a year and pretend they are all lazy losers?


Those jobs are not careers and never intended to be. The point is that they are meant to be stepping stone jobs. You work it to gain some skills so you can move up the ladder and move on to higher paying positions.

The real problem is that our economy because of globalism and technology is concentrating skillsets. In other words, the penalty for not having marketable skills is getting harsher. In addition, we have an over abundance of low skilled workers which also drives down wages.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

yea but you know as well as I do that there isn't 10-50 million opportunities in the market.

So should people who really have no choice but to do these jobs live in poverty while the owners are some of the richest in the world?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

I wonder why he didn't invite ceo's from other companies like.

Dupont,
Exxon,
Dow,
Pfizer,
Ford,
Apple,

You know, companies that employ skilled labor.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

oh here we go with all the typical talking points on how the market works and why these people are in low skill low wage jobs

got it, we all know that conversation it's been had literally millions of times

do you think it's morally right for someone to pay someone else poverty wages while they profit billions?

to me the obvious answer is no, it's not morally right. but go ahead and explain to me all the great ideas about supply and demand and skill vs non skill and negotiation tactics used to acquire higher wages and all the same bs rhetoric we've heard a billion times



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Edumakated

yea but you know as well as I do that there isn't 10-50 million opportunities in the market.

So should people who really have no choice but to do these jobs live in poverty while the owners are some of the richest in the world?


They do have a choice. Again, the point is that you generally don't stay in those jobs. Yes, there are some people who can't seem to move up for whatever reason, but the vast majority of people do not stay in those low paid jobs. This is the fallacy of your position. The population of those workers is not fixed. These people are not trapped in some untouchable class as if they lived in India.

The owner's income is irrelevant. At the largest companies, the "owners" are the shareholder which can be any individual who chooses to purchase just 1 share of stock or it can be an institutional investor like the teachers pension fund.

If it is a private company, then the owners deserve whatever profits they take out of the business. The owner is the one who risks his capital to start a business. More risk = More reward.

Jobs are a function of profitability. Companies don't create jobs for the hell of it. They create a job because there is some specific work that needs to be done. In addition, the company has to determine the value of said position relative to the costs. A lot of jobs don't create revenue which means they are a cost center. In addition, there may be a lot of people who can do said job, so the compensation reflects this... simple supply and demand.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

do you believe that slavery was the fault of the slaves?



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Answer one question for me.

What is an acceptable profit for a company to make?
I'm talking percentages.

Use walmart or whatever company you would like.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

why should I answer your question when you haven't answered mine?




do you think it's morally right for someone to pay someone else poverty wages while they profit billions?


I'm not playing your game unless you play mine



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Bluntone22

oh here we go with all the typical talking points on how the market works and why these people are in low skill low wage jobs

got it, we all know that conversation it's been had literally millions of times

do you think it's morally right for someone to pay someone else poverty wages while they profit billions?

to me the obvious answer is no, it's not morally right. but go ahead and explain to me all the great ideas about supply and demand and skill vs non skill and negotiation tactics used to acquire higher wages and all the same bs rhetoric we've heard a billion times


Morals don't have zip to do with anything. People are paid based on their worth in the market place. Period. That worth is simple supply and demand. Just because you think a cashier at Wal_Mart should make $30/hr doesn't mean that cashier is worth $30/hr.

Some companies do pay above average wages because they may view it as a way to attract a higher caliber employee. However, not every company can do this. In most cases, those that do pay more also have to charge more as a result.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated




Morals don't have zip to do with anything.


interesting, guess I'm ok with slavery then!! they were mostly low skilled jobs anyway

so when the 10's of millions of people in lower wages apply your skill set and devalue your job what are you going to do??

also, when there's no one left to run the stores, warehouses and other labor jobs are you going to do those jobs??? remember, we don't need grocery stores or factories where there's

website

there's an issue rising with automation that's going to force a new paradigm, one where human labor has been widdled down to a minimum and you may not like that but as more people are forced to acquire better skills just to survive your job is next

but you don't believe in morals so you'll be fine with slavery



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Bluntone22

why should I answer your question when you haven't answered mine?




do you think it's morally right for someone to pay someone else poverty wages while they profit billions?


I'm not playing your game unless you play mine


I answered you... so what profit margin is acceptable to you?

Let me help you out... the problem is that many of these companies are so large that their relatively small profit margins seems like a lot of money. For example, if you are a $100 billion company in revenue and make say 5% profit, it means you made $5 billion.

Sounds like a lot of money until you need to reinvest it back into the company to buy capital equipment which could be a several hundred million investment. Or maybe you need to open up a new plant. Let's also not forget some of that money needs to redistributed back to the shareholders in the form of dividends.

As I've stated, any of you who think companies are being greedy are free to put up your own money and start a business. You can pay people whatever you like if you feel so strongly about it. There is nothing stopping you.



posted on Jul, 17 2018 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

I'm not sure what morals have to do with a pay scale but I'll bite.

Yes it is morally right to pay employees a wage that satisfies all labor laws required by the state and federal government.

Your turn



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