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MGM Resorts International Sues LV Shooting Victims.

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posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
As much as I feel for the victims and their families. But unless MGM was found negligent in their efforts that day they should not be responsible.


I would say letting that guy use the service elevators to take over 50 guns to his room was pretty damm negligent


Did they know he was transporting guns? If not then how can they be deemed negligent?




posted on Jul, 18 2018 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: muzzleflash

The hotel is suing the victims to deny liability.


Doesn’t a lawsuit require an injured party?



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:34 AM
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Missed your post, and just posted it myself from AP. Pretty crazy they're trying to do this, but such is money. Your BBC link is broken in the OP, here is one from --
Associated Press


Brian Claypool, an attorney who was at the music festival during the shooting, called the lawsuits a “hypocritical maneuver” that will turn into a “public relations nightmare for MGM.”

“We collectively view this as a bullying tactic to intimidate the survivors who are rightfully seeking social change and redress through the litigation process,” Claypool, who represents dozens of victims, said in a statement.


Attorney Robert Eglet, who represents victims in a lawsuit pending in federal court in Nevada, also decried the casino operator’s move, saying the company is filing complaints nationwide in search of a sympathetic judge. He told AP he has been flooded with calls from victims.

“This is absolute gamesmanship. It’s outrageous. It’s just pouring gasoline on the fire of (the victims’) suffering,” Eglet said. “They are very distraught, very upset over this. MGM is trying to intimidate them.”



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 12:52 AM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
As much as I feel for the victims and their families. But unless MGM was found negligent in their efforts that day they should not be responsible.


I would say letting that guy use the service elevators to take over 50 guns to his room was pretty damm negligent


Did they know he was transporting guns? If not then how can they be deemed negligent?


Vegas is billed as having the best security in the world.

Maybe if they worried as much about their guests safety as they so about catching cheaters they woulda noticed a guy bringing all those guns to his room/?


let a guy slip an extra chip on their winning bet and the eye in the sky is all over that... but a bunch of rifles nahh



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 02:27 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
As much as I feel for the victims and their families. But unless MGM was found negligent in their efforts that day they should not be responsible.


I would say letting that guy use the service elevators to take over 50 guns to his room was pretty damm negligent


Did they know he was transporting guns? If not then how can they be deemed negligent?


Vegas is billed as having the best security in the world.

Maybe if they worried as much about their guests safety as they so about catching cheaters they woulda noticed a guy bringing all those guns to his room/?


let a guy slip an extra chip on their winning bet and the eye in the sky is all over that... but a bunch of rifles nahh


The guns weren’t just out in the open as he was carrying them in dude, they were in luggage bags and what-not.

Anyways MGM could have been maybe 1% liable. Then again maybe not. I say let the courts sort it out, it’s gonna take years im sure.

Perhaps someone here will change my mind.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 03:50 AM
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We collectively view this as a bullying tactic to intimidate the survivors who are rightfully seeking social change and redress through the litigation process

How is this seeking social change?



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 04:51 AM
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a reply to: Atsbhct

This is just ghastly, absolutely ghastly behaviour from MGM.

I understand that MGM will be concerned about potentially being sued (which I believe would be unsupportable from a legal standpoint), but regardless of their concerns as a company (which, when compared to the concerns and sorrows of PEOPLE, means nothing at all), the only right way to deal with the potential lawsuits that would have come at them, would have been to merely allow the thing to pass to the court, and go through the court process, successfully defending their position using a high powered lawyer or ten.

There is only one party, that we know of, who could be said to be in any way responsible for the murders and injuries that were inflicted on the unsuspecting victims of the Las Vegas massacre. His name is Paddock, and it was he who shot those people, he who planned and executed that barbarism. The MGM as far as I know, are under NO obligation to rifle through peoples belongings at check in, to see what they have in their bags, and given Las Vegas gun laws, as far as I understand it MGM were in no position to demand he check his irons at the desk either, even had they known that he had guns. They might, had they performed a search, have realised that his guns were modified and wondered why, but again, as far as I know, the modifications Paddock made to his guns, were legal, or at least occupied a grey area.

Legally speaking, the MGM are only responsible for acts that they control. If a fire suppression system is malfunctioning and not rectified, and there is a fire which kills guests, one which could and should have been avoided, that is on MGM... but when one of their guests goes on a killing spree with a semi-automatic weapon, converted to fire at automatic pace, they have and indeed should have, NO control over that whatsoever. No company or government has a right to control its citizens, unless or until they perform a criminal act, and if they do, at that point they, and only they can be held accountable for that act and its every ramification. It is not the job of hotel or casino management, to engage in counter-terrorism operations, or policing actions including searching a guests belongings. They MAY call the police if they suspect a guest of having committed or being about to commit a crime, but having an awful lot of baggage does not qualify an individual as being potentially criminal.

Las Vegas is one of the most bustling tourist destinations on the entire planet. Its glitz and glamour are known throughout the world, its hotels, casinos and event spaces are renowned for their historical significance and the place itself is a marvel of the modern world, a city in an otherwise inhospitable wasteland, which has been turned into a place whose name is synonymous with luxury, hedonism, entertainment and fun, with a gangster past to boot.
Hotels there see travelers from all over the world, who stay with them for all manner of reasons. Expos, conventions, conferences, trade meetings, all manner of events are held in Las Vegas, and some of those require persons attending to carry an awful lot of baggage. Convention stall holders for example, may have merchandise and merchandising equipment, like display units, all in their luggage. Conference holders will need things like display boards, projection equipment, leaflets and pamphlets by the boat load, laptops and other equipment, performers will carry considerable baggage as well, instruments and amplification systems, other bulky gear.

If everyone checking into a hotel had their bags searched, not only would this mean a total collapse of respect for probable cause, but it would also put an unacceptable level of power in the hands of a private entity, as well as placing on them an unwelcome and unjustifiable burden, an expectation that the hotel will police its environs and its guests to a hitherto thought unimaginable degree.

ALL THAT BEING SAID...

MGM should allow what lawsuits are potentially coming its way, to come its way, and win those lawsuits, as the law as far as I understand it, would support their position that they are not responsible for the behaviour of their guests, or what their guests bring into the hotel. But they should NOT be suing the families of the dead, or injured parties who suffered at Paddocks hands. The fine line to tread here is not all that fine, its pretty clear. By all means defend yourself, but there IS a difference between defence and offence, one is not the other, and in this case, they have done themselves no favours by applying their legal team in this way. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour, if you ask me.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I believe MGM is already being sued. And this is America, MGM will likely lose. I don't blame MGM at all for this, it's America's litigious culture that I blame, America's lack of personal responsibility.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Don't let sensationalist fake news media sway you. MGM is not suing anyone. Their lawsuit is simply saying we can't be sued. They are not attacking the victims as fake news CNN would have you believe.

MGM Resorts denies liability for Las Vegas shooting, sues victims

That's CNN's take on it.

The reality is MGM is asking the courts to find MGM not liable to prevent thousands of lawsuits. There is no point in having thousands of lawsuits of MGM is not liable. Whether they are or not is up to the courts.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 05:01 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I fail to see how any case could be won, given that MGM are only legally responsible for actions they are in control of, and that it would be illegal for them to have a greater measure of control over their guests than they have as a matter of the normal running of their venues.

This is nothing to do with the finer feelings surrounding the massacre. The facts, from a legal perspective, are that MGM could not have had any greater control over Paddock, without violating his rights before it was determined that he was a threat, which would have placed them in an impossible legal situation, and IS NOT THEIR JOB!

As awful as the event itself was, I cannot see how a judge could find for the plaintiff, since I highly doubt the existence of any precedent which would support their claim, nor any reason in the technicality of the law, any law, which could possibly hold MGM to account for the actions of anyone other than its own staff. Since the staff did not violate the law or fail to do due diligence in any respect as far as anyone knows, there is literally no responsibility that can factually or legally pass to the hotel or its managing company.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

That's because you don't understand the law and juries. A woman won a lawsuit against McDonald's for her hot coffee being hot after she drove recklessly causing the hot coffee to spill on her.

Even if MGM will win, why should they litigate THOUSANDS of cases rather than one case to decide it all?
edit on 19-7-2018 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 05:10 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

That coffee incident is not actually as dumb as it sounds.

If you look into the correct serving temperature for a coffee, you will note that it is no where near as high as McDonald's served their coffee, nor as hot as the coffee that the claimant in that case was served. Theres more to that case than it appears, unlike in this one.



posted on Jul, 19 2018 @ 05:17 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

And she caused it to spill by driving recklessly.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I very much doubt that she laid down a set of elevens, then did a doughnut.

What do you mean by driving recklessly, exactly?



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: muzzleflash

The hotel is suing the victims to deny liability.

Doesn’t a lawsuit require an injured party?


Not if it is what is called a declaratory judgment actionl, where a party says that there is a legal dispute and is asking a judge to declare the rights of the parties.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: TrueBrit

That's because you don't understand the law and juries. A woman won a lawsuit against McDonald's for her hot coffee being hot after she drove recklessly causing the hot coffee to spill on her.

Even if MGM will win, why should they litigate THOUSANDS of cases rather than one case to decide it all?


The women who sued was not driving the car, she was a passenger.

She only wanted damages to cover her injuries, but McD's low balled her.

They went to court where it was discovered that 100's of similar incidents had taken place.

The jury wanted to give around $3,000,000, they settled on I believe 500k.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 03:59 PM
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Heartless thing to do. You can't tell me there weren't several other options that MGM could have done that would have been just as beneficial. Scum of the earth.



posted on Jul, 20 2018 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: F4guy

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: muzzleflash

The hotel is suing the victims to deny liability.

Doesn’t a lawsuit require an injured party?


Not if it is what is called a declaratory judgment actionl, where a party says that there is a legal dispute and is asking a judge to declare the rights of the parties.


Ah, thanks for the clarification.



posted on Jul, 23 2018 @ 01:38 PM
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You have no idea how offended I am at all of this...but then perhaps it would be good for a court battle to occur maybe more light will be shed on why this happened and how...



posted on Jul, 27 2018 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: abeverage
You have no idea how offended I am at all of this...but then perhaps it would be good for a court battle to occur maybe more light will be shed on why this happened and how...
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That will never happen. This lawsuit is an action in equity for a Declaratory Action which revolves strictly around one narrow legal issue. If a particular federal law applies to MGM, they win. If the law does not apply to it, then they lose. The how and why of the attack are irrelevant to the case. I don't think there are really any factual disputes material to this case. Everyone agrees that an attack occurred and that MGM had hired a security company. The only issue is a legal issue, not a factual issue. This case will be decided by a Summary Judgment based on legal briefs. I can't see how it would ever even get to a discovery phase. MGM is taking a lot of heat for this tactic when it is much more likely that it is its insurance company driving this litigation bus.




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