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originally posted by: Blarneystoner
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
originally posted by: Blarneystoner
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: carewemust
If democrats want any chance of winning anytime soon, they'll have to scrap their platform, or what's there for it. Trump reversed everything the democrats did, after he beat "the most qualified candidate in American history" who ran on a platform of four more years. The economy is booming, blacks are at historic lows for unemployment, the citizens of this country are traveling more during the holidays than any time during the obama era and most of the 21st century, people are just happy again.
The only message I've heard from the left, besides "Resist Resist Resist" is to abolish ICE and open our borders. I mean, honestly, what patriotic person, left OR right, would go for something that radical? Plus many democrats have began identifying as progressives. This is pushing the moderate dems to the right.
At this point, I don't think there's anything they can do to regain self worth. Their only shot to win in the future, at this point, is to run with Trump's platform and we know they'll deny everything he does because of their hatefulness and anger. So enjoy the next election or two
I think you're dead wrong about pushing moderates to the right... I'm a middle aged, white male, independent moderate and I can't wait until November to pull that lever for anyone running against a GOP incumbent. Most of the people I know feel the same. The only people I've heard any different from are here in the echo chamber.
I'm tired of the Trump # show...
Good luck. I've yet to meet anyone like you. I didn't meet any in 2016 and I haven't met any yet.
But since I've got you here... Would you vote for the candidate that promotes open borders and abolishing ICE? I would think that being an Independent, you wouldn't go for those radical progressive ideals. Are you sure you're an Indie moderate?
Also, there were a LOT of democrats that voted Republican in the 2016 election and a lot more that say they're tired of the progressive policies democrats are starting to pick up. There's a reason #WalkAway was started.
I don't know of any Texas candidate that has advocated abolishing ICE. Abolishing ICE isn't such a bad idea though. It wouldn't effect border security because CBP handles immigration at the borders. I don't know of any candidate that supports an open border policy.
I would actually support almost any GOP candidate that is critical of Trump except Ted Cruz.... Beto O'Rourke has my vote come November.
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
originally posted by: Blarneystoner
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
originally posted by: Blarneystoner
originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: carewemust
If democrats want any chance of winning anytime soon, they'll have to scrap their platform, or what's there for it. Trump reversed everything the democrats did, after he beat "the most qualified candidate in American history" who ran on a platform of four more years. The economy is booming, blacks are at historic lows for unemployment, the citizens of this country are traveling more during the holidays than any time during the obama era and most of the 21st century, people are just happy again.
The only message I've heard from the left, besides "Resist Resist Resist" is to abolish ICE and open our borders. I mean, honestly, what patriotic person, left OR right, would go for something that radical? Plus many democrats have began identifying as progressives. This is pushing the moderate dems to the right.
At this point, I don't think there's anything they can do to regain self worth. Their only shot to win in the future, at this point, is to run with Trump's platform and we know they'll deny everything he does because of their hatefulness and anger. So enjoy the next election or two
I think you're dead wrong about pushing moderates to the right... I'm a middle aged, white male, independent moderate and I can't wait until November to pull that lever for anyone running against a GOP incumbent. Most of the people I know feel the same. The only people I've heard any different from are here in the echo chamber.
I'm tired of the Trump # show...
Good luck. I've yet to meet anyone like you. I didn't meet any in 2016 and I haven't met any yet.
But since I've got you here... Would you vote for the candidate that promotes open borders and abolishing ICE? I would think that being an Independent, you wouldn't go for those radical progressive ideals. Are you sure you're an Indie moderate?
Also, there were a LOT of democrats that voted Republican in the 2016 election and a lot more that say they're tired of the progressive policies democrats are starting to pick up. There's a reason #WalkAway was started.
I don't know of any Texas candidate that has advocated abolishing ICE. Abolishing ICE isn't such a bad idea though. It wouldn't effect border security because CBP handles immigration at the borders. I don't know of any candidate that supports an open border policy.
I would actually support almost any GOP candidate that is critical of Trump except Ted Cruz.... Beto O'Rourke has my vote come November.
Top democrats are advocating for abolishing ICE, which would basically open the borders, because Cortez won her district with that message. Because of that, democrats think it's a winning message even though it motivated 8% to vote for her.
You're more like an Independent with radical left wing views if you think abolishing ICE isn't a bad idea. The Border Patrol stops at the border, ICE handles the rest.
originally posted by: tabularosa
The Democratic Party was failing well before the Obama won the Presidency.
First, they contend, Clinton need not have wholly ceded white working-class voters to Trump, who won them by a larger margin than Ronald Reagan in his 1984 landslide. Meanwhile, she failed to get young people and minorities—the too-aptly-named “Obama coalition”—excited about her candidacy. Both of those weaknesses, critics say, could be traced back to a message that emphasized social diversity over economic fairness. And the Clinton team’s overweening confidence blinded it to her weaknesses. The postmortem debate over Clinton’s loss is more than just finger-pointing—it has important implications for how the Democratic Party moves forward. Some partisans side with her team in blaming external forces, from events like the Comey letter to the media’s coverage of the race. Others look at Clinton's lead going into the final weeks, in a nation where most voters view President Obama favorably, and conclude that she blew an eminently winnable race. (A Clinton campaign official disputed many of these critiques to me, but acknowledged that the widespread expectation she was going to win made it difficult for the campaign to see weaknesses. The official also conceded that Clinton’s campaign underestimated the electorate’s desire for change.) How partisans decide to view Clinton’s loss—as a fluke, as a tactical shortcoming, or as the product of deeper issues—will determine how they attempt to rebuild. For a party that finds itself decimated and powerless at almost every level, those are consequential conclusions indeed.
During the primaries, the Democratic National Committee failed this fundamental requirement by favoring Clinton over Bernie Sanders instead of letting the process run its course. Not only did Wikileaks emails reveal that DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz had put her finger on the scale for Clinton, so did her replacement, CNN analyst Donna Brazile, when she alerted the Clinton campaign of certain questions CNN would ask Clinton during the primary debates. More fundamentally, the Super Delegate system–originally designed to foster the “wise men and women” of the party to support the most electable candidate at the Convention—was abused. In 2016, the super delegates, who accounted for 20% of the nomination vote, “prejudged” the outcome by lining up behind Clinton before a single primary vote had been cast. That’s not fair competition. That’s a “tap on the shoulder” rigged system. Instead of lining up en masse prior to the primaries, imagine if Super Delegates had used their judgment with an eye towards putting together the most electable ticket. Sanders supporters could have focused on the hard data that supported their candidate’s electability: his strong performance among independents, working-class whites, young people, and the overall degree of enthusiasm for his candidacy. Clinton supporters could have countered with an argument that a more centrist approach would bring in some cross-over Republicans or for the principle of making history with the first woman President. Who knows what might have emerged if Super Delegates faithfully determined the most electable ticket. It might have been a Clinton/Sanders ticket or vice versa, or perhaps a compromise ticket like a Joe Biden/Elizabeth Warren ticket. Regardless of what the DNC does going forward, the guiding light should be one that is tried and true from an equal opportunity point of view: fair competition. This is how you achieve the best results.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust
Democrats should do whatever they find necessary to push their political agendas as they see fit. That is their right, as it is for anyone and their political beliefs.
What they should not do is worry about what a bunch of Right Wing nuts think about their self-worth or confidence.
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: carewemust
Move to Canada and Stay there ........
originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: carewemust
What Should Democrats Do To Regain Their Self-Confidence and Self-Worth?
Stop being reactionary, and more pro-active about stuff that truely matters,
stop tryna be Republican lite get back to the party of the ordinary man,
stop being against stuff and show what you are for, stop being pu****$ies and man da fkup!!..no body likes weakassed bitches.
The above will take cleaning house to accomplish.
originally posted by: Blarneystoner
originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: carewemust
What Should Democrats Do To Regain Their Self-Confidence and Self-Worth?
Stop being reactionary, and more pro-active about stuff that truely matters,
stop tryna be Republican lite get back to the party of the ordinary man,
stop being against stuff and show what you are for, stop being pu****$ies and man da fkup!!..no body likes weakassed bitches.
The above will take cleaning house to accomplish.
Stop being against stuff? Like being against the GOP raiding Social Security? And calling it an entitlement?
Like being against discrimination based upon race, age, and sexual orientation?
Like being against campaign corruption and special interest money?
Like being against traitorous leadership?
Should I go on? Maybe you guys should stop being pussies, grow some balls and stand up to your treasonous leader....