What Should Democrats Do To Regain Their Self-Confidence and Self-Worth?

a reply to: carewemust

Democrats should do whatever they find necessary to push their political agendas as they see fit. That is their right, as it is for anyone and their political beliefs.

What they should not do is worry about what a bunch of Right Wing nuts think about their self-worth or confidence.

In fact, considering how the "Right" seems to have an issue with the truth, integrity and honesty, I would think they would want to be getting their house in order before they concern themselves with the affairs of others.

In fact, your OP itself is dishonest and could be considered misinfo propaganda.

Not sure why you would be concerned about the Dems when you cannot even properly inform yourselves.

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: carewemust

If democrats want any chance of winning anytime soon, they'll have to scrap their platform, or what's there for it. Trump reversed everything the democrats did, after he beat "the most qualified candidate in American history" who ran on a platform of four more years. The economy is booming, blacks are at historic lows for unemployment, the citizens of this country are traveling more during the holidays than any time during the obama era and most of the 21st century, people are just happy again.

The only message I've heard from the left, besides "Resist Resist Resist" is to abolish ICE and open our borders. I mean, honestly, what patriotic person, left OR right, would go for something that radical? Plus many democrats have began identifying as progressives. This is pushing the moderate dems to the right.

At this point, I don't think there's anything they can do to regain self worth. Their only shot to win in the future, at this point, is to run with Trump's platform and we know they'll deny everything he does because of their hatefulness and anger. So enjoy the next election or two

I think you're dead wrong about pushing moderates to the right... I'm a middle aged, white male, independent moderate and I can't wait until November to pull that lever for anyone running against a GOP incumbent. Most of the people I know feel the same. The only people I've heard any different from are here in the echo chamber.

I'm tired of the Trump # show...

Good luck. I've yet to meet anyone like you. I didn't meet any in 2016 and I haven't met any yet.

But since I've got you here... Would you vote for the candidate that promotes open borders and abolishing ICE? I would think that being an Independent, you wouldn't go for those radical progressive ideals. Are you sure you're an Indie moderate?

Also, there were a LOT of democrats that voted Republican in the 2016 election and a lot more that say they're tired of the progressive policies democrats are starting to pick up. There's a reason #WalkAway was started.

I don't know of any Texas candidate that has advocated abolishing ICE. Abolishing ICE isn't such a bad idea though. It wouldn't effect border security because CBP handles immigration at the borders. I don't know of any candidate that supports an open border policy.

I would actually support almost any GOP candidate that is critical of Trump except Ted Cruz.... Beto O'Rourke has my vote come November.

Top democrats are advocating for abolishing ICE, which would basically open the borders, because Cortez won her district with that message. Because of that, democrats think it's a winning message even though it motivated 8% to vote for her.

You're more like an Independent with radical left wing views if you think abolishing ICE isn't a bad idea. The Border Patrol stops at the border, ICE handles the rest.

a reply to: Metallicus

Stop painting me as the enemy of the people.

It simply isn't conducive to earning a vote. They're not inspiring Stockholm Syndrome or anything unlike in some who feel their guilt as some kind of redemptive religious experience. Maybe clinging to my Bible shields me from that one.

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: carewemust

If democrats want any chance of winning anytime soon, they'll have to scrap their platform, or what's there for it. Trump reversed everything the democrats did, after he beat "the most qualified candidate in American history" who ran on a platform of four more years. The economy is booming, blacks are at historic lows for unemployment, the citizens of this country are traveling more during the holidays than any time during the obama era and most of the 21st century, people are just happy again.

The only message I've heard from the left, besides "Resist Resist Resist" is to abolish ICE and open our borders. I mean, honestly, what patriotic person, left OR right, would go for something that radical? Plus many democrats have began identifying as progressives. This is pushing the moderate dems to the right.

At this point, I don't think there's anything they can do to regain self worth. Their only shot to win in the future, at this point, is to run with Trump's platform and we know they'll deny everything he does because of their hatefulness and anger. So enjoy the next election or two

I think you're dead wrong about pushing moderates to the right... I'm a middle aged, white male, independent moderate and I can't wait until November to pull that lever for anyone running against a GOP incumbent. Most of the people I know feel the same. The only people I've heard any different from are here in the echo chamber.

I'm tired of the Trump # show...

Good luck. I've yet to meet anyone like you. I didn't meet any in 2016 and I haven't met any yet.

But since I've got you here... Would you vote for the candidate that promotes open borders and abolishing ICE? I would think that being an Independent, you wouldn't go for those radical progressive ideals. Are you sure you're an Indie moderate?

Also, there were a LOT of democrats that voted Republican in the 2016 election and a lot more that say they're tired of the progressive policies democrats are starting to pick up. There's a reason #WalkAway was started.

I don't know of any Texas candidate that has advocated abolishing ICE. Abolishing ICE isn't such a bad idea though. It wouldn't effect border security because CBP handles immigration at the borders. I don't know of any candidate that supports an open border policy.

I would actually support almost any GOP candidate that is critical of Trump except Ted Cruz.... Beto O'Rourke has my vote come November.

Top democrats are advocating for abolishing ICE, which would basically open the borders, because Cortez won her district with that message. Because of that, democrats think it's a winning message even though it motivated 8% to vote for her.

You're more like an Independent with radical left wing views if you think abolishing ICE isn't a bad idea. The Border Patrol stops at the border, ICE handles the rest.

Nope... it's not radical to end a radical organization.

The Democratic Party was failing well before the Obama won the Presidency. Obama proved to be nothing more than another neoliberal corporate Democrat. This was a tipping point for progressives who bought into Obama's message of change, only to be shafted yet again. It led to the movement, Our Revolution, lead by Bernie Sanders; and it shows no signs of abating. Why? Because it awakened the people, gave them real hope. And faith is a powerful tool when correctly applied. In this case, all people need is for actions to match words. We are the progressives. And we will overcome. Why? Because we are mainstream. Progressives are labeled as liberals, socialists and communists in mainstream media. But a majority agrees with their views, want the same policies. And a majority is neither left wing or right wing; it is by definition mainstream.

originally posted by: tabularosa
The Democratic Party was failing well before the Obama won the Presidency.

Stopped reading after the first line.... you should read it again too.

a reply to: carewemust

Renounce their US Citizenship, form a new country called Californiastan, move there, and stay there.

Seriously though I don't think there is a "back" for them. Once they've claimed the self perceived moral high ground any actions they take are validated by their belief system, even breaking the law, lying, cheating and anything else they feel like doing.

I still get sad to think the party I raised to think of as the bastions of free speech are calling for censorship of speech.

www.youtube.com... i think this youtube video sums it up. warning NSFW language

they underestimated their enemy and he beat them (after crushing 17 republican nominees as well as the clinton dynasty)

they then freaked the frack out and have been freaking out since

they have continued to go with their demonize middle america,repbulicans are all red neck coal miners etc

they keep making mountains out of mole hills

and every single second they keep screwing with the president they keep giving him free air time which is how he trolled him self into the white house and continues to troll you to this day . every time you criticize him you give him free air time

they joked about blowing up the white house and assassinating the president

they think their chants and unrest give us pause but were still laughing over all those who didnt think he could win and then he took the senate and the house as well,stacked the federal courts got a scotus pick after obama could not pick it up after his 2nd term due to McConnell's gamble and is on his way to a second pick

this is what they dont get they can underestimate trumps supporters at their risk not all of us are vocal like we showed in the election where we ended up surprising the nation. every time you erroneously call him a nazi he gets 10 more votes ,every time at this rate you say "collusion" he gets 100 more and even on the off chance you get Mike pence as your president whos goal is nothing short of killing of roe v wade,rolling back LGBTQ rights to the 1950s and who does not even wanna give unwed women birth control so be careful how you proceed with impeachment proceedings because you think you have a nightmare now lol just wait tell pence starts picking judges.

you only have your self and hillary to blame after bernie was thrown under the buss it was all but over and the dems showed their true colors

www.theatlantic.com...

First, they contend, Clinton need not have wholly ceded white working-class voters to Trump, who won them by a larger margin than Ronald Reagan in his 1984 landslide. Meanwhile, she failed to get young people and minorities—the too-aptly-named “Obama coalition”—excited about her candidacy. Both of those weaknesses, critics say, could be traced back to a message that emphasized social diversity over economic fairness. And the Clinton team’s overweening confidence blinded it to her weaknesses. The postmortem debate over Clinton’s loss is more than just finger-pointing—it has important implications for how the Democratic Party moves forward. Some partisans side with her team in blaming external forces, from events like the Comey letter to the media’s coverage of the race. Others look at Clinton's lead going into the final weeks, in a nation where most voters view President Obama favorably, and conclude that she blew an eminently winnable race. (A Clinton campaign official disputed many of these critiques to me, but acknowledged that the widespread expectation she was going to win made it difficult for the campaign to see weaknesses. The official also conceded that Clinton’s campaign underestimated the electorate’s desire for change.) How partisans decide to view Clinton’s loss—as a fluke, as a tactical shortcoming, or as the product of deeper issues—will determine how they attempt to rebuild. For a party that finds itself decimated and powerless at almost every level, those are consequential conclusions indeed.

www.nytimes.com...

qz.com...

During the primaries, the Democratic National Committee failed this fundamental requirement by favoring Clinton over Bernie Sanders instead of letting the process run its course. Not only did Wikileaks emails reveal that DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz had put her finger on the scale for Clinton, so did her replacement, CNN analyst Donna Brazile, when she alerted the Clinton campaign of certain questions CNN would ask Clinton during the primary debates. More fundamentally, the Super Delegate system–originally designed to foster the “wise men and women” of the party to support the most electable candidate at the Convention—was abused. In 2016, the super delegates, who accounted for 20% of the nomination vote, “prejudged” the outcome by lining up behind Clinton before a single primary vote had been cast. That’s not fair competition. That’s a “tap on the shoulder” rigged system. Instead of lining up en masse prior to the primaries, imagine if Super Delegates had used their judgment with an eye towards putting together the most electable ticket. Sanders supporters could have focused on the hard data that supported their candidate’s electability: his strong performance among independents, working-class whites, young people, and the overall degree of enthusiasm for his candidacy. Clinton supporters could have countered with an argument that a more centrist approach would bring in some cross-over Republicans or for the principle of making history with the first woman President. Who knows what might have emerged if Super Delegates faithfully determined the most electable ticket. It might have been a Clinton/Sanders ticket or vice versa, or perhaps a compromise ticket like a Joe Biden/Elizabeth Warren ticket. Regardless of what the DNC does going forward, the guiding light should be one that is tried and true from an equal opportunity point of view: fair competition. This is how you achieve the best results.

this does not mean republicans can become complaisant in midterms we need to show up ,help every single person we can to vote on election day to make sure we stand by our candidate ,if we have to help our friends and neighbors to the polls we should we have 2 and a half months to go we can plan this out before the election.but we can take advantage of the fact they underestimate us and i say we meet the with the big red wall and remind them why it is dangerious to discount an entire section of the populace they deem under them in their "superior" coastal views

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: carewemust

Democrats should do whatever they find necessary to push their political agendas as they see fit. That is their right, as it is for anyone and their political beliefs.

What they should not do is worry about what a bunch of Right Wing nuts think about their self-worth or confidence.

That's sound advice. Developing and focusing on objectives and candidates, instead of spending all their time bashing Trump and Republicans, would help the Democrat party "find itself" again.

a reply to: SpartanStoic


It LITERALLY stunned me when Democrat leaders turned their backs on the middle-class in December 2017.

Tax-Cuts, Bonuses, Pay-raises, More money for employers = CRUMBS!

a reply to: carewemust

Move to Canada and Stay there ........

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: carewemust

Move to Canada and Stay there ........

Canada does deliver on many of the things that Democrats want for America. Maybe spending some time there would indeed increase their self-worth and confidence.

a reply to: carewemust

What Should Democrats Do To Regain Their Self-Confidence and Self-Worth?



Stop being reactionary, and more pro-active about stuff that truely matters,

stop tryna be Republican lite get back to the party of the ordinary man,

stop being against stuff and show what you are for, stop being pu****$ies and man da fkup!!..no body likes weakassed bitches.
The above will take cleaning house to accomplish.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: carewemust

What Should Democrats Do To Regain Their Self-Confidence and Self-Worth?



Stop being reactionary, and more pro-active about stuff that truely matters,

stop tryna be Republican lite get back to the party of the ordinary man,

stop being against stuff and show what you are for, stop being pu****$ies and man da fkup!!..no body likes weakassed bitches.
The above will take cleaning house to accomplish.

Stop being against stuff? Like being against the GOP raiding Social Security? And calling it an entitlement?

Like being against discrimination based upon race, age, and sexual orientation?

Like being against campaign corruption and special interest money?

Like being against traitorous leadership?

Should I go on? Maybe you guys should stop being pussies, grow some balls and stand up to your treasonous leader....

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: carewemust

What Should Democrats Do To Regain Their Self-Confidence and Self-Worth?



Stop being reactionary, and more pro-active about stuff that truely matters,

stop tryna be Republican lite get back to the party of the ordinary man,

stop being against stuff and show what you are for, stop being pu****$ies and man da fkup!!..no body likes weakassed bitches.
The above will take cleaning house to accomplish.

Stop being against stuff? Like being against the GOP raiding Social Security? And calling it an entitlement?

Like being against discrimination based upon race, age, and sexual orientation?

Like being against campaign corruption and special interest money?

Like being against traitorous leadership?

Should I go on? Maybe you guys should stop being pussies, grow some balls and stand up to your treasonous leader....

Wrong guy, I'm in fact a super Lib/Progressive, but I'm sick and tired of being in the party of the lesser of two evils, the party leadership are literally Losers!! all they do is lose, never learnt anything from past mistakes, they pretend to care but give zero fks..they fold every time, tell me what happened to the dream act?? how easy was it to piss that away. they simply do not fight for sht..they get steamrolled every fkig time on easily won stuff.
Chuck.
Nancy.
Dianne
Perez
And others need to get gone, new blood pls, establishment Dems had their chance.

I think all the democrats need is to not be Trump. You know the guy that sold us out to Putin and became his little +itch. Bent over bigly. The guy that established tariffs that are destroying the farming heartland of America.

The DNC can't believe their good fortune everytime Trump runs his mouth. And the "sweetness" is that it's his own fault.

a reply to: olaru12

Yawn. Keep thinking that.

They should disband their party, disavow their disgusting ideology, publicly apologise to the world and where relevant, turn themselves in for their crimes.
Then they might be able to legitimately claim some self-worth.

a reply to: carewemust

Get rid of Tom Perez.